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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by rtkwe »

pb7 wrote: post #235
rtkwe wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person suing got their termination notification on 11/1 so I imaging they know more about what their termination actually entails than you or I do. Also Musk consistently pushes and oversteps the legal boundaries of what he can and can't do to get his way. Him being in charge of Twitter at all is because he was forced to execute a contract he willingly signed what makes you think he'll be more calmly compliant to…

Clearly they don't: https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...

This appears to only be the emails they sent out to the larger mass firing the originators of the lawsuit might have gotten different ones.

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Post by lupire »

wongarsu wrote: post #132
maeln wrote: post #86

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It is an interesting case. In France, the case was already judged and having your means of work (example: access to your professional email) cut off before the end of your contract (which include the required advance notice) is considered unlawful firing. The same goes if you are put in the "placard doré", meaning you are not given any work to do. Of course, the laws in France favor the worker a lot more than the U.S…

But those laws are about employers trying to force people to quit so they don't have to fire them. This case feels more equivalent to firing someone and putting them on paid leave during the mandatory notice period. Which seems like a common practice in some industries to prevent revenge acts from those who are let go.

No, France really is extreme, required that employers let employees do their real work during the notice period, to support their feeling of dignity.

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Post by insanitybit »

lupire wrote: post #270
insanitybit wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you an employment lawyer? You're making a lot of assertions about what's acceptable.

Are you?

No, and I haven't made any assertions about what any entity is legally obligated to do or not do...

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Post by ceejayoz »

filoleg wrote: post #263
ceejayoz wrote: post #251

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> As well as for their devs to be paid even remotely close to what they can get paid in the US. Perhaps the French would see that as a failure, not a success.

I mean, if they consider being successful and being paid more as a failure, then yeah, I can totally see their "steady march to the top" succeeding. Not sure if that warrants a celebration. But if they consider it as such, then who am I to disagree.

The French might ask why turning the like button into several different kinds of reaction is so much more "successful" than the baker who makes a perfect croissant.

Perhaps it's OK for a society to be... OK, instead of "the top", especially if top comes with a correspondingly distant bottom. Perhaps in 50 years we'll not see some of Google/Apple/Microsoft/Amazon/SpaceX/Tesla/etc. as quite so positive of achievements.

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Post by oska »

pessimizer wrote: post #229
kodah wrote: post #180

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> Jeff Bezos's decisions about where to stick his weiner cost him tens of billions of dollars. People are allowed to want to divorce without it being referred to as "where he sticks his weiner". I think what grosses me out is that revenge porn was laid thickly on top of this that people just actively ignored .

> People are allowed to want to divorce without it being referred to as "where he sticks his weiner". No they're not. Getting a divorce doesn't give you the right to control how other people talk about your divorce. > I think what grosses me out is that revenge porn was laid thickly on top of this that people just actively ignored. People care about revenge porn because it hurts vulnerable people (i.e. the vast major…

> Getting a divorce doesn't give you the right to control how other people talk about your divorce.

Obviously the discussion here is in terms of civility and respecting people's privacy, not 'control'.

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Post by legohead »

93po wrote: post #241
legohead wrote: post #170

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I considered this purchase a miscalculation on his part. After he bought 9% of twitter, he wanted to do some market manipulation like with Tesla. Only he got burned last time, so he attempted to do it legit with his "offer". He never expected them to actually accept. And why he tried so hard to back out. However, now that it's done, I don't doubt his earnest or abilities to drive twitter forward. In any case it will…

There is zero evidence for literally anything you're saying and your accusations are completely baseless.

Circumstantial evidence. And he has literally done it before [1].

[1] https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226

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Post by trap_goes_hot »

shrikant wrote: post #89
trap_goes_hot wrote: post #60

Knowing the possible shitstorm it would cause, Twitter upper management sold the company anyway. Not that they care, they got fabulously wealthy off the deal.

Shareholders were being offered a very nice premium on the stock price, so Twitter upper management would have been awash in shareholder lawsuits if they'd rejected the deal. Essentially, the Twitter board was snookered once Musk made a serious offer.

I'm curious to see if such lawsuits have succeeded in the past - in similar situations.

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Post by trap_goes_hot »

WoahNoun wrote: post #83
trap_goes_hot wrote: post #60

Knowing the possible shitstorm it would cause, Twitter upper management sold the company anyway. Not that they care, they got fabulously wealthy off the deal.

Not selling the at the price he offered would have been massively violating their fiduciary duty. Twitter stock would probably be worth like $20-30 given the current market versus the $54 offered.

There is a lot of confusion with people offering their own opinions.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/twitter-board-of-direct...

It seems the board tried to block it at first.

Also -

"A Saudi prince who is among Twitter’s major shareholders scoffed at Musk’s offer in a Thursday tweet. Al Waleed bin Talal said he would reject Musk’s overtures because he didn’t believe $43 billion “comes close to the intrinsic value of Twitter, given its growth prospects."

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by trap_goes_hot »

r00fus wrote: post #133
trap_goes_hot wrote: post #60

Knowing the possible shitstorm it would cause, Twitter upper management sold the company anyway. Not that they care, they got fabulously wealthy off the deal.

You do realize that if they didn't accept the offer, C-suite would be pursued by shareholder lawsuit holding them liable for lost valuation?

Maybe someone who is an expert can comment on this. It seems the board tried to block it at first.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/twitter-board-of-direct...

Also -

"A Saudi prince who is among Twitter’s major shareholders scoffed at Musk’s offer in a Thursday tweet. Al Waleed bin Talal said he would reject Musk’s overtures because he didn’t believe $43 billion “comes close to the intrinsic value of Twitter, given its growth prospects."

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Post by woodruffw »

lupire wrote: post #267
woodruffw wrote: post #204

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> If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” AFAICT, nobody was told to "stop working" today. They were all laid off, meaning terminated, no longer compensated, etc.

Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence, or at least a shred of evidence.

Which part of this is an extraordinary claim? It's currently on the front page of every major US newspaper.
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