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I fought the PayPal and I won

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Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by joebob42 »

FerociousTimes wrote: post #158
tluyben2 wrote: post #36

PayPal is such a weird company. I was a loyal customer for 20 years until I wanted to convert my account from business to personal (I closed the business) and the site refused to do so. after months of calls with support, it became clear that no one was able to do this (something locked the flow and no one was able to see what; I guess my account was so ancient, it has some db flags no longer used but still checked b…

> 1 hour later I received an email from PayPal that I am permanently banned as I am trading with a business account of which the company no longer exists I hate that I have to do this and to be viewed as defending a vile organization like PayPal but this specific incident here could be the result of another department/silo (compliance/anti-fraud?) within the corporation issuing an immediate ban for your account to av…

It honestly doesn't really matter. That's a plausible explanation, but the customer shouldn't have to care / make special allowances because this is a big company with lots of people. It either does good things or it doesn't, and in this case it didn't.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by skrebbel »

lupire wrote: post #232
skrebbel wrote: post #120

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I just read "Eleven Magic Words" and I'm entirely baffled. Also what a writer, wow.

I don't get it. The lawyer asked "“Is there anything the court would like to review to reconsider?” and the judge said, oh, well "since you have asked if I want to, yeah I guess I do, so I'll just change my ruling for no reason?"

Exactly that. I had to read it twice too. The way I read it is there were so many hearings so quickly in a row that the judge was in some sort of blur. Case, bam, verdict. Case, bam, verdict. One every 10 minutes. And in that situation, just from being asked to think it over a few more seconds, she saw that maybe she had it wrong and changed her mind.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by Kye »

adrusi wrote: post #266
Kye wrote: post #213

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There's a way to bring stuff like this up on HN that won't result in...well, you see the replies. Yes he is a bigot, and I know this from reading his own comments (not from hearsay as his defenders like to assume), but even as The Choir I find this comment a bit unhelpful. It's a one-liner and a link. Not even with an anchor to the part of the wiki that addresses this.

Singal isn't a bigot. It's not the service to trans people that many people seem to think it is to call anyone who documents unflattering dimensions of trans politics a bigot. Colin Wright, mentioned in the article, could more reasonably be called a bigot, though having his Paypal account terminated on that basis wouldn't be just. But this really shouldn't be about Singal or Wright. I, a trans woman, had a fine eveni…

I think I'll stick with my original opinion based on my own experience and reading. You don't get to decide for me any more than I get to decide for you.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by DoctorNick »

MerelyMortal wrote: post #202
DoctorNick wrote: post #72

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Well, good to know. I was about to forward this.

It sounds like you have the same intentions as PayPal then: PayPal doesn't want to do business with them because of their personal views, and you don't want to forward their story that you implied you found worth sharing, because of their personal views.

Yes. The key difference is that I am not a fucking payment monopoly, jackass.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by astura »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #249

Companies like Google, Amazon, Apple, and even PayPal are public utilities at this point, and we need better accountability from them. If there's one piece of legislation I think the US needs, it's to make these monstrous, global, faceless, tech companies use a tiny portion of their mind-boggling profits to staff a proper help desk that can actually FIX these kinds of problems. Make the data public, and if the user-s…

This isn't a "tech company" thing - PayPal is no different from any bank in this regard. Banks close accounts for seemingly no reason (or silly reasons) with no recourse literally all the time.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by astura »

LoganDark wrote: post #59
atirip wrote: post #6

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I only buy from merchants that offer PayPal (there are few I trust by card, like Amazon). And the reason is that whatever it happens, I can always get my money back with PayPal. It happened 3 times in last 5 years that seller took the money and never shipped anything. I got all them resolved very quickly.

If you live in the US, you could use Privacy for this (privacy.com). Not only do they allow you to create a separate card for each merchant, pause/unpause/close/set spend limits and so on, but their support is so nice that half the time they'll just give you credit instead of making you bother with a proper chargeback. And you can do that over email . Works even with merchants that don't support PayPal. Everyone supp…

Can only load privacy.com with a bank account last I checked, I prefer to use a credit card.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by simiones »

duxup wrote: post #206
tluyben2 wrote: post #36

PayPal is such a weird company. I was a loyal customer for 20 years until I wanted to convert my account from business to personal (I closed the business) and the site refused to do so. after months of calls with support, it became clear that no one was able to do this (something locked the flow and no one was able to see what; I guess my account was so ancient, it has some db flags no longer used but still checked b…

Brazil (1985 film) was not supposed to be an instruction manual! The scale of these absurdities is just wild. Years ago I signed up for a domain for my blogger.com blog. At some point google decided to transfer the management of that domain to google workspaces ... I don't know how or why but they did. So when it expired I was told to login to google workspaces, but I don't have a google workspaces account at the ema…

I think Kafka's The Trial is an even better fit - in Brazil, you could at least see some of the machinations unfolding - in The Trial, like in reality, you only hit a wall of the bureaucrats telling you that your case is being studied with no way of knowing when or if you will ever get anything more.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by SilasX »

photochemsyn wrote: post #215

This piece demonstrates excellent writing skills - bits of humor interspere information-dense sections on legalese, allowing the reader to easily absorb the information. As far as the byzantine arbitration process described here, signed off on by the US Supreme Court and adopted across most of the corporate world, with the obvious intent of making it hard for ordinary citizens to sue corporations for damages, see thi…

Yes, I know, I really get amused by references to "I fought the law and the law won", that takes real creativity to come up with! Never would have seen the pattern if I got into a dispute with a large corporation and then was victorious!

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by implements »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #179
hairybobbins wrote: post #78

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Why do you find this offensive? Wright's key points regarding 'sex realism', as I understand them, are that sex is not a spectrum (as many people are claiming these days) but a male-female binary, and that sex is still an important characteristic in many circumstances, such that it cannot realistically be supplanted by 'gender identity' or similar. Seems like a reasonable viewpoint to me, and not one that would gener…

It may SEEM like a reasonable viewpoint to you, but it's not grounded in reality. Saying sex is a binary is excluding anyone that doesn't fit within that binary. And if that's something you can't imagine, then it's not a subject you should have or voice an opinion on.

It’s grounded in the reality 99.98% experience - that individuals are biologically differentiated into the male (inseminating) or female (gestating and nursing) reproductive role.

Stress reproductive role there - as unique individuals they have limitless other personal and social roles they can fulfil, and to be honest I don’t see these as naturally gendered, nor feel it would be desirable for it to be so.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

astura wrote: post #275
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #249

Companies like Google, Amazon, Apple, and even PayPal are public utilities at this point, and we need better accountability from them. If there's one piece of legislation I think the US needs, it's to make these monstrous, global, faceless, tech companies use a tiny portion of their mind-boggling profits to staff a proper help desk that can actually FIX these kinds of problems. Make the data public, and if the user-s…

This isn't a "tech company" thing - PayPal is no different from any bank in this regard. Banks close accounts for seemingly no reason (or silly reasons) with no recourse literally all the time.

And yet, your point is completely pointless. I can easily go find another bank. By design, they're fungible. PayPal's position and "reputation" puts them in a league of their own when it comes to accepting online payments. I don't even know of something that has the same mindshare. Venmo? Owned by PayPal, in yet another CLASSIC American monopolistic cannibalization, engineered to explicitly deny my ability to USE SOMEONE ELSE. Seriously, I don't know of any others besides Apple Pay. Does Ebay work with that? My point is that your options are limited, like the power company, water, or sewer.
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