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Post by bambax »

itake wrote: post #252
AlwaysRock wrote: post #213

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

> the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time Slim Shady stands up [0]. [0] - https://iamyourtargetdemographic.com/2011/08/30/kanye-west-v...

This article is from 2011, but today on Spotify Eminem still has more monthly listeners than Kanye West (53M vs 51M). Eminem also has several songs that have over a billion streams (one with >1.5b), while Kanye has just one and it's at exactly 1b.

So yes, Eminem is still well ahead.

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Post by jccalhoun »

luckylion wrote: post #80
qwerty456127 wrote: post #26

> In a world where conservative opinions are considered to be controversial In my opinion controversy and political incorrectness are Okay. I don't think people should be too concerned about hurting others' feelings when discussing objective phenomena or expressing their own opinion (as long as they acknowledge their subjectivity) . Nevertheless obvious (although not to everyone) absurd, blatant lies and manipulation…

> Nevertheless obvious (although not to everyone) absurd, blatant lies and manipulations shouldn't be covered by the free speech umbrella. "Capitalism is the problem", "modern employment is wage slavery". These are absurd, blatant lies meant to manipulate. Would you have statements like that removed?

Being wrong is not lying. To be a lie the person has to know it isn't true. Whether those statements are untrue or not, I think that most people that say those things believe them to be true and so they are not lies.

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Post by themitigating »

mind-blight wrote: post #244
themitigating wrote: post #187

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What if it's just a narcissist? What if it's a combination of both? He's made blantent antisemitic remarks and yet his popularity among the right grows

He's diagnosed bipolar, so mental illness is definitely in the mix.

It might not contribute at all. My evidence being the countless people who are bipolar but don't make antisemitic remarks and the countless people who aren't bipolar and do.

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Post by dk775 »

simongr3dal wrote: post #172
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #132

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> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. Devil's advocate: there's no way this isn't the case for Kanye, right? Why is this mental illness sparking up later in his life? Why was he able to achieve everything he's achieved 1996 -> 2012 (Roc-A-Fella -> The College Dropout -> My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy era) without these "mental illness" bouts?

The story told on the Dissect podcast[1] about Kanye and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy really paints a picture of a person who is not very well. [1]: https://anchor.fm/dissect/episodes/S2E1--Kanye-West-The-Elep...

Listen to his interviews yourself. Any medium, including podcasts, are packaging a narrative for you to hear. For better or worse. Personally and I’m black I listened to his latest interview and his points are pretty strong, it becomes obvious how he is being painted in a false light after hearing the interviews for yourself then hearing other people use clips to say he’s mentally ill and crazy.

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Post by bckr »

luckylion wrote: post #97
qwerty456127 wrote: post #88

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These are opinions. And I lean to agreeing with them (except I don't think anybody knows a good solution to the problem). Blatant lies/absurd are things like all (or almost all) people of specific race are inherently evil or stupid, they control the state for their wicked aims and there is a gene for specific preferences which ought to be eradicated or we are doomed.

That sounds to me like picking and choosing what's okay because "opinion" and what's not because "blatant lie".

There's a conversation of some depth to be had here. I think it might simply devolve into "rhetoric is part of a struggle for power", but I am not ready to be that cynical yet.

"Capitalism is the problem". Let's take this as untrue (ironic laughter from the peanut gallery).

Could "capitalism is the problem" be an opinion coming from one person and a blatant lie coming from another?

Is it fundamentally different from "ethnicity X is the problem"?

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Post by ididitagain »

tptacek wrote: post #262
houstonn wrote: post #259

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It's more of a story of a famous artist who thinks for himself and has been marginalized for years as a result. Every time he says something that deviates from the accepted narrative, he is attacked and dismissed as "crazy", "insane", "sick". Many non-normative geniuses throughout history have been treated in this manner. Before anyone strawmans this, he does occasionally say things that should be condemned, particul…

Again: not only is he diagnosed, he's open about about it. He literally attributes his success to his mental illness. His "thinking for himself" includes the a paranoid delusion about literal fake children corrupting his children. You're not doing him any favors by dignifying this stuff. The irony here is I'm not condemning West. I'm recognizing the terrible situation he's in. It's your analysis that's uncharitable t…

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Post by NickC25 »

berberous wrote: post #203
imjk wrote: post #170

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Call me cynical, but I think the likes of Kanye, the Kardashians, Trump, even Elon, etc. are much more calculated than they are deranged. They know how to work the media and manipulate the public better than anyone else. We're living in a world now where journalists are paid by click counts more than quality of content. In the same vein, Kanye and the likes know that the more absurdist and unconventional their action…

Why not both? I agree with you that all of those people know how to play the media to their benefit, but Kanye is also clearly bipolar and currently in one of his episodes, and Trump also clearly is the clinical definition of narcissistic personality disorder. The Kardashians and Elon have their flaws too, but I don’t think they rise to the level of clinical issues in the way that Kanye and Trump do.

It's got to be both.

Nobody in their sane mind would say some of the stuff that Kanye said/tweeted, but as well there's very few people who have the ability to profit off making insane statements to the extent that people like Kanye or Trump can. It's almost like a perpetual vicious cycle of profitable victimhood.

I was never a big fan of the guy's work but he was an incredible producer back in the late 90s early 2000s. I think him experiencing the death of his mother was the start of a very serious downward cycle (mentally, at least) that he's yet to recover from.

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Post by themitigating »

mort96 wrote: post #222
aborochoff wrote: post #195

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So apparently its evident to a lot of people on hacker news that kanye has a mental illness and is making bad decisions because of it. If this is the case why hasnt someone tried to take power of attorney or something similar here?

It's not just evident to a lot of people; he has claimed it himself, and it's basically confirmed. Here's the relevant part of his Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Mental_health There's a lot of stuff there, among other things: > West said that he often has suicidal ideation. In a 2019 interview with David Letterman, West stated that he has bipolar disorder.

Brittney Spears, who hasn't made any public racists remarks (at least that I know) lost control

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Post by bondarchuk »

tptacek wrote: post #262
houstonn wrote: post #259

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It's more of a story of a famous artist who thinks for himself and has been marginalized for years as a result. Every time he says something that deviates from the accepted narrative, he is attacked and dismissed as "crazy", "insane", "sick". Many non-normative geniuses throughout history have been treated in this manner. Before anyone strawmans this, he does occasionally say things that should be condemned, particul…

Again: not only is he diagnosed, he's open about about it. He literally attributes his success to his mental illness. His "thinking for himself" includes the a paranoid delusion about literal fake children corrupting his children. You're not doing him any favors by dignifying this stuff. The irony here is I'm not condemning West. I'm recognizing the terrible situation he's in. It's your analysis that's uncharitable t…

He is open about having been diagnosed, not about having a "public breakdown", being "increasingly unhinged" or "quite evidently sick". Those are your inventions. Though they might well be true I think one should be careful diagnosing people at a distance (and without being a mental health professional) especially when it is used as a justification for taking away someone's agency (which I acknowledge you haven't done, but others in this thread/saga are doing).
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