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One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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What anyone means when they say SMS post ~2010 is SMS/MMS

It didn't get better.

That's just like, your opinion, man. SMS/MMS is decentralized, open, and works on every modern mobile phone out of the box. No other text messaging technology does this yet.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Because a VC that is more concerned with the type of phone you use than your product/service/company is probably a VC you should stay away from. Imagine explaining to investors in your VC - "You know that XYZ company that just IPO'd for several billion dollars? Yeah I passed on their series A because the founder didn't have an iPhone despite the business itself being really solid". If I was an investor in that VC I'd…

I completely agree with the sentiment, but i'm sure deals are made on less trivial factors all the time. They just aren't explicitly stated.

Yeah, but the whole point is that if it IS explicitly stated or even implied, then the whole concept of a VC's fiduciary duty to its investors gets thrown out the window because of some partner's personal biases that have no impact on a given company or product. That's unethical and dubious at best, and illegal or outright fraud at worst. All because someone didn't like that someone else was using a different kind of phone. That's nuts if you think about it.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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.. people use SMS on tinder ? I had overall a couple hundred matches and going through classic text has been exceedingly rare, 80% of the time conversations move on to instagram, and otherwise to fb messenger or whatsapp

Guessing you are not in the US? I am and all matches I have had on hinge have moved onto text and I have had a girl comment on the green bubbles. I don't even have fb messenger or whatsapp installed.

Yes, France (and Canada where I moved recently looks like the same so far)

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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This seems to be mostly a US American thing, mainly because of the same reasons BBM was a thing: lots of chats over SMS used to be a thing, and then chats over iMessage, which like BBM, you can only join if you have a device from a specific vendor. That means that you can only be in a special social circle if you buy the same stuff. That won't change because of some colours, because it's not the colours causing the t…

Absolutely but in US, you'll be surprised how much texting is still used

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Apple's iMessage is secured end-to-end, your mobile carrier can't see the message. As soon as the box goes green then any intermediary, including your mobile carrier and your friend's mobile carrier, can read the message and/or make it available to law enforcement. In a U.S. court of law Apple has stood up to authority and pointed out they can't provide the messages requested as they're locked even to Apple. Facebook…

WhatsApp definitely claims end-to-end encryption. There’s a bubble telling you so at the top of every new WhatsApp thread.

If that's the case how do they detect if a message has been forwarded too many times ?

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Apple's iMessage is secured end-to-end, your mobile carrier can't see the message. As soon as the box goes green then any intermediary, including your mobile carrier and your friend's mobile carrier, can read the message and/or make it available to law enforcement. In a U.S. court of law Apple has stood up to authority and pointed out they can't provide the messages requested as they're locked even to Apple. Facebook…

WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted. WhatsApp actually uses the Signal Protocol. Probably the best protocol they could use. It's described pretty detailed in a whitepaper publicly available on the WhatsApp website: https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepap...

You got me to look into this further. I was seeing if there was a backdoor - and it appears there isn't. https://signal.org/blog/there-is-no-whatsapp-backdoor/

Given that I don't see why more of us Americans aren't using WhatsApp! :)

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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It's certainly an issue with a lot of teenagers. Speaking broadly, social status and brands say a lot at that age, and you could miss out on friends or social occasions based on it. As an adult of course the green/blue bubbles simply don't matter, we grow up and realise that, but it certainly is a significant issue if it's affecting young peoples lives. So I'd say it's somewhere inbetween what you descibe, perhaps a…

> I have heard of people saying they won't date green or blue bubble people But how many times, really? It's like the missing iPhone headphone jack. The press and bloggers hammered away at it for years, making sure it was an ongoing meme in all coverage, but... do people really care? Some people, sure.. but enough for the coverage? Same with bubbles.

In this experiment, they created identical dating profiles, with the only difference being the brand of phone displayed in photographs. The control was no phone shown in the image.

Featuring an iPhone increased the number of likes received by 82%. Featuring a Samsung increased the number of likes by 20%. That means if you display a Samsung instead of an iPhone in your profile, you will get 34% less likes

Other phone brands did even worse. If your dating profile displays a Oneplus phone, you will get 55% less likes than an identical profile featuring an iPhone

https://www.moneysupermarket.com/mobile-phones/features/mobi...

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Yeah, no one uses plain sms messages across the pond any more. And sms group chats? I only know about sms group chats from US posters. You can just assume everyone has Whatsapp here, and just message them over that.

Using Facebook to do messaging? No thanks! Sure, when communicating with international friends I use WhatsApp because that appears to be what the rest of the world uses, but here in the States? No. We don't trust Zuckerberg. And yes, iMessage group chats are very much a thing here in the States and SMS group chats in general. And also yes, there's always that techie friend with an Android and makes your whole convers…

> We don't trust Zuckerberg

This is a common excuse I hear in college to not use FB messenger or Whatsapp. But those same people usually have no issues using Instagram DMs. For most people, it's just a cover story to mask the real reason: Facebook messenger and whatsapp are uncool in the US

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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This seems to be mostly a US American thing, mainly because of the same reasons BBM was a thing: lots of chats over SMS used to be a thing, and then chats over iMessage, which like BBM, you can only join if you have a device from a specific vendor. That means that you can only be in a special social circle if you buy the same stuff. That won't change because of some colours, because it's not the colours causing the t…

I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

1. Joke's on them. I just got a new iPhone and now my net worth is even more negative than it was before!

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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WhatsApp doesn't have anywhere near the same lockin as Apple. You can run multiple messaging apps even on a low end android phone.

I can run WhatsApp on my iPhone. I cannot get my kids' school parents-group not to use WhatsApp. It was a pain to get even my best friends in Europe to use anything except WhatsApp.

What did you propose as the alterntive?
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