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Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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I've long felt it was a pity that (in most places) employees and employers could not just have honest discussions about career path, suitability, and deliberate planned exits which are a smooth transition for everyone involved. Instead it's just thick layers of bullshit during performance review time or people getting blindsided by a layoff or a fake PIP. From the employee side, one can't simply express what they nee…

Employment is a partially adversarial relationship. Both parties want to get the most of out their counterparties, while giving the least (or, at least, there's enough people and companies with such mindset, that it defines the game). Hence, honesty on either side doesn't pay off. It's smarter to play your cards close to the vest.

That’s never been true in my decade of employment. You just have to avoid working for companies/people with no ethic. I personally always avoid American companies for exemple because, well to put it frankly, American employment culture is trash.

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Reading the Amazon horror stories on blind, I never reply to Amazon recruiters. Amazon's hire-to-fire strategy is now widely known

I work at AWS on EC2. It's really not bad. Very competent coworkers, technical leadership, plenty of principal engineers willing to help... Oncall's tough, and we definitely need more engineers but otherwise, you learn a lot

I also work at AWS on EC2 and agree with this assessment. Amazon is large and the culture varies across organizations. I’ve worked at multiple big tech companies and AWS EC2, while not perfect, is the best place I’ve been part of.

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I know it's grown since the acquisition, but how many people were involved in developing and running the service pre-Facebook?

Do you think a large entreprise that actually needs to follow legislation in 100+ countries can work the same way a startup can, though?

No, I think it requires more. How many more is the question though.

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Adobe, on the other hand, with its ~26k headcount is juggling an astonishing range of products and services it seems.

Adobe's the most forgotten and ignored tech company that actually makes staple software products and services, I think. No matter how much people hate their price gouging :-)

Well Adobe has also done a lot of acquisition and (many of them they then failed to maintain those products, until a slow death. what they did to Macromedia still hurts.) let us not forget they purchased photoshop and most of what is there PDF software today came from the acquisitions of several companies.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Facebook employs over 58K people. This is not a big deal especially considering tech went on a * massive* hiring binge recently. [0] Facebook had a recruiting crisis in 2021: https://www.protocol.com/workplace/facebook-docs-hiring-recr... [1] Facebook aimed to hire 10K Europeans for metaverse in 2021: https://www.reuters.com/technology/facebook-plans-hire-10000... People underestimate just how much COVID and the rapi…

According to Wikipedia they employ 85k. 10% of that is a big deal.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_Platforms

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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You don't have to like the man but, I think it's pretty clear that running any global social media company is miserable and filled with impossible decisions + people who will hate you no matter what choices you make. It sounds like many social media CEOs would agree that it's like getting punched in the stomach every day

Then why do it? What for? It's not like he won't be a millionaire if he just owns a large part of Facebook instead of running it. I don't understand your argument.

What argument? I don't know why he does it. But I don't envy the role and I'm saying I think that his 'feels like getting punched in the stomach' statement is probably a true statement about what his role feels like.

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You don't have to like the man but, I think it's pretty clear that running any global social media company is miserable and filled with impossible decisions + people who will hate you no matter what choices you make. It sounds like many social media CEOs would agree that it's like getting punched in the stomach every day

Oh, the poor, poor guy. /sarcasm He's had every chance to be a decent human being and he has rejected it. Facebook has been a force for tremendous evil in the world, and now he's trying to push this bullshit proprietary metaverse crap on us, just because. People hate him for who he is. He feels bad, and then continues doing the things that make us hate him, and that makes it worse.

>People hate him for who he is. He feels bad, and then continues doing the things that make us hate him,

You truly hate Mark Zuckerberg huh, you must live a great life

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That's not how it works, WhatsApp had 50 engineers when it had 900M users[0]. Beside iMessage is not only used by 10k, some estimates put it at more than 1 billion users[1]. [0] https://www.wired.com/2015/09/whatsapp-serves-900-million-us... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2022/09/10/why-apple...

iMessage has a lot of users if you count people with iphones who very occasionally try to send a text but end up using iMessage. I count as one but it still is completely irrelevant to me. WhatsApp is where everything interesting is.

Same here. I’m always shocked when I meet someone that doesn’t use WhatsApp

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Are you in the USA? iMessage is only really relevant in the USA. Meanwhile, Whatsapp is huge in Latin America, Europe, Africa, parts of Asia

I’d rephrase as “In the US, only iMessage is relevant”

Which is surprising considering how bad it is.

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It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

It's especially crazy given how terrible Facebook's UX is outside of the native apps. Ex. You can't rate marketplace sellers at all and it's been that way for a year or more.

I figured this was done purposely to drive users to native apps, where more device data could be collected than could be through a standard browser.
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