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Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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Post by amadeuspagel »

njsubedi wrote: post #175
logicalmonster wrote: post #165

Is it uncharitable to say that Google has intentionally stolen millions of dollars from kids? They seem to have engineered a set of rules where they work around having to ever pay a bunch of people for content that was produced and had ads displayed on it. Maybe the kids can't legally sign a contract, but Google still made money from them. Has Google forfeited this money or are they profiting off of child labor?

AFAIK all the incomes from invalid traffic are refunded to the advertisers. That might also be the procedure in case of invalid accounts.

I'm not sure that makes much of a difference economically, because you would expect that to become priced in.

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Post by romwell »

pb7 wrote: post #227
MichaelCollins wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it insufferably arrogant to ask people to stop using insensitive, hateful, or discriminatory words? When that word is 'dystopia', yeah. Getting this offended about a megacorp being called dystopian is insufferable. Whatever your relationship is to Google, it doesn't warrant this level of personal attachment. You're acting like he insulted your own mother or something.

I’m not offended in the least, I’m just tired of reading melodramatic takes from people who haven’t experienced any hardship. It’s a common theme here and I want it to be better. Let’s attribute the correct level of concern to things instead of calling keeping track of people who defrauded you “dystopian”. There’s literally a war happening and an actual real government cutting off communications to its people so that…

> I’m just tired of reading melodramatic takes from people who haven’t experienced any hardship ... There’s literally a war happening

On that note - I'm from Ukraine. Helped my mother-in-law get out of Kyiv in March, and went back to Ukraine in July with supplies for soldiers that weren't available locally (military radios and a bulletproof vest).

I also worked at Google on their Location team.

I am choosing my words with care, and I stand by them. In particular, the choice of the word dystopian. And lack of humanity is one of the reasons this war is happening. Dystopia starts in the minds.

Also, please don't exploit the war in Ukraine to needlessly police other people's speech. If you want to show support, that's not the best way.

Direct your efforts here: https://u24.gov.ua/

Thanks, and slava Ukraini.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

kylebyproxy wrote: post #115
forgotpwd16 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS support has left me really impressed. They were answering inquiries even when started and was playing around a free-tier account. (Even got a refund for a charge due to forgetting some stuff running beyond the free-tier limit.) Not surprised they dominate the cloud segment and GCP barely reaches two-digits usage.

> forgetting some stuff running beyond the free-tier limit Weird, they banned my account for that. Tried AWS when it was brand new and assumed they'd just drop the instance when the free tier expired.

Banned sounds strange. Going beyond the free-tier limits simply means they start charging you. Though to say the truth, as you, was expecting them to stop the service. Did you tried a chargeback or blocked them access to your card?

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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Post by romwell »

ajross wrote: post #109
romwell wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the solution is "the right to fucking delete your account forver". Google keeping "limbo" accounts is dystopian, and seems like a GDPR violation to me.

How would deleting the account in question help anyone, though? Or are you saying that after deleting, they would then be allowed to re-register after a ban? Isn't that just isomorphic to demanding Free Ban Evasion for All?

>How would deleting the account in question help anyone, though? Or are you saying that after deleting, they would then be allowed to re-register after a ban?

The problem described in the post is that the user has a shadow, inaccessible disabled account that they can't do anything about, forever, and that's a problem.

>Isn't that just isomorphic to demanding Free Ban Evasion for All?

I think it would be isomorphic to Google implementing verification on account creation, thereby preventing this scenario from happening in the first place.

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Post by HWR_14 »

usr1106 wrote: post #266
HWR_14 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the counter party know how much pocket money any given child has?

I believe to remember that the contract is valid if a minor of that age typically has that amount of money available and can understand the consequences of the contract. So the business owner does not need to know how much money the particulur kid gets. If the particular kid gets exceptionally small pocket money the contract is valid and the parents are responsible for its legal implications. Of course what is typica…

How much money does, for example, a fifteen year old typically have?

Is pocket money universal? I thought it was somewhat outdated as a concept, but it could just be the archaic term.

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Post by marcosdumay »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #206
marcosdumay wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a business you shouldn't have to give second chances to people who blatantly defraud you Just to point the obvious, but corporations do not have any inherent right, and this specific one is already denied on some circumstances.

In which circumstances are companies not allowed to ban people for fraud? Power and water utilities I guess?

Yes, the ones people deem essential enough and monopolistic, so they get required to serve everybody.

Regulated utilities, companies representing the government, companies handling infrastructure, etc.

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Post by usr1106 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #276
usr1106 wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe to remember that the contract is valid if a minor of that age typically has that amount of money available and can understand the consequences of the contract. So the business owner does not need to know how much money the particulur kid gets. If the particular kid gets exceptionally small pocket money the contract is valid and the parents are responsible for its legal implications. Of course what is typica…

How much money does, for example, a fifteen year old typically have? Is pocket money universal? I thought it was somewhat outdated as a concept, but it could just be the archaic term.

I have not heard that it would be outdated as a concept. What would be the replacement? To my understanding it is generally recommended the give minors some money. And parents should not interfere much even if they disagree how it's spent.

What the term would be in English speaking countries I have no idea if pocket money sounds archaic. The translation sounds good to me not being a native speaker.

The sum might depend a lot on the country. I have no contacts to 16 year olds so I can't tell.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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Post by usr1106 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #276
usr1106 wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe to remember that the contract is valid if a minor of that age typically has that amount of money available and can understand the consequences of the contract. So the business owner does not need to know how much money the particulur kid gets. If the particular kid gets exceptionally small pocket money the contract is valid and the parents are responsible for its legal implications. Of course what is typica…

How much money does, for example, a fifteen year old typically have? Is pocket money universal? I thought it was somewhat outdated as a concept, but it could just be the archaic term.

https://www.wiado.de/taschengeldparagraph-was-ist-das/ has a table. It doesn't look completely unreasonable for Germany. Please note that this is not a law, so if a case goes the court the judge might come to slightly different figures.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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Post by sjs382 »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #5

I received a lifelong ban on using Google Ad products when I was 16 after experimenting with clicking my own ads (and asking my high school friends to click on them). I remember the account accumulated almost $80 before Google detected the suspicious activity and banned me. Given that this was 16 years ago, it would be nice to get second chance..

Same. I wasn't clicking my own ads but I was 16ish and had some sort of text along the lines "Please click an ad to support this website."

20 years later, I'm still banned (well, last I checked was probably 5 years ago). Funnily enough, my day job has me interacting with AdWords pretty regularly.

Also, FWIW you can probably sign up with an EIN, just not a personal account with your SSN.

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