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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by piaste »

SilverBirch wrote: post #156

I think to a certain extent there's an overwhelming culture in the SV VC world of being completely credulous. That exchange just seems like a uniquely weird situation of two people talking absolute bollocks and neither being willing to mention the elephant in the room. It's no wonder the second their plan hit the real world it exploded on impact. You would have thought the guy who ran twitter would actually understan…

I'm very blissfully unengaged in Twitter as well, could you kindly spell out what it is you are referring to as the "elephant in the room"?

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by ironlake »

pgt wrote: post #84

With texts like this being disclosed, I am surprised that any communications at this level are still happening over surveilled networks.

Surveilled doesn't come into play here. The text messages were ordered to be disclosed and the people involved complied. It doesn't matter that the conversation was encrypted, if you have a record, you have to turn it over. Using a messaging service that automatically deletes old messages might be a way to avoid it.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#273

Post by martyvis »

bmitc wrote: post #158
martyvis wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch this walk around Starbase with Elon and Tim Dodd, and you'll get a pretty good sense that he has an engineering brain that really understands the complexities of design, build and execute more than anything. https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw

I will watch it, but is he the same the “engineering” brain that thinks his Tesla tunnels are a good idea, continually promises tech that is decades away from realization is right around the corner (like self-driving cars or a humanoid robot or a Mars mission), and got replaced as the runner of the actual engineering organization (SpaceX)?

Elon clearly overpromises - but he also over delivers. SpaceX's current capability to deliver payloads to orbit is so far ahead of anyone else (particular considering they started from scratch only 20 years ago). Even their Starlink in just a few years had leapfrogged over incumbent providers. Tesla may not have achieved all they have promised but there is no denying they are the company that is leading innovation in not only EV but even in their approach to manufacturing.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by manholio »

aliqot wrote: post #246
moffkalast wrote: post #203

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Checked out a random 'featured instance', first post is an image with "DOES IT FEEL LIKE THE ENTIRE WORLD FELL APART WHEN TRUMP LEFT?" in gigantic letters. Why do I get the feeling this is where everyone who got banned from twitter goes to hang out... It's like leaving Reddit for Voat, you'll just end up in the midst of the worst fringe groups because they can't exist on the main platform where normal people are.

> Why do I get the feeling this is where everyone who got banned from twitter goes to hang out... we need to let go of this mindset that there are undesirables in this world. there will always be a 'stable diffusion' seeking equilibrium between the places that censor and the places that dont, and the people impacted by those rule parameters will move to the places that dont censor, which will bring non mainstream ide…

> there are undesirables in this world.

Sure there are undesirables in the world wide web: neo-nazies, Q-anon, pedos & NAMBLA, Russian propaganda, spammers and carders etc. Any platform that protects the freedom of speech for fringe groups will become a haven for them and will be eventually abandoned by mainstream users.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by swamp40 »

once_inc wrote: post #13
andrewflnr wrote: post #5

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> Twitter started as a protocol. It should have never been a company. That was the original sin. Dorsey seems to have figured it out.

Considering Dorsey's active participation and evangelising on Bitcoin and the Lightning Network, I expect that he will be working in that direction; building a messaging protocol based on the Lighting Network that allows users to upvote with satoshis. This monetises the user engagement and makes bots less feasible, aligning user incentives.

It's funny how you can take a multi-billion dollar idea, write it all out for the world to see, and it still gets ignored or ridiculed by everyone.

It's also funny how you can take two of the greatest minds in our generation and dismiss them out of hand, mostly due to your previous biases of what you think they are all about.

If email cost the sender 1 cent per email, spam could have been eliminated.

This system would do the same thing. 5 cents to post, 1 cent to comment, 1 cent to upvote. 80% of money goes to poster and commenters. 20% pays the bills. Maybe a downvote option that costs 2 cents?

Influencers make money. Users pay a small proportional amount to interact, free to read.

Decentralization is the key, just like for crypto. No one controls the content. No one censors Hunter Biden's laptop posts.

You load up with $5 and add more when you are depleted. Everything in sats or ADA, etc. It stays in your "wallet" so it can't be frozen or taken from you.

You can have a tipping and buying system as well, all built in.

This will happen.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by SilverBirch »

rayiner wrote: post #228
SilverBirch wrote: post #156

I think to a certain extent there's an overwhelming culture in the SV VC world of being completely credulous. That exchange just seems like a uniquely weird situation of two people talking absolute bollocks and neither being willing to mention the elephant in the room. It's no wonder the second their plan hit the real world it exploded on impact. You would have thought the guy who ran twitter would actually understan…

Maybe I’m missing some inside baseball, but what exactly is wrong here? Dorsey created Frankenstein and has regrets. I don’t see what’s childish about that.

It's about the context, Dorsey has basically been an absent CEO for the last 5 years. All the reporting is basically that he wasn't engaged, didn't make decisions, and in the end he didn't really step down from Twitter, he was forced out by activist investor buying up shares and pushing him out. It's not like he didn't have an opportunity to address the issues at Twitter, it's that he went off and worked at a different company whilst still being CEO of Twitter and as a result completely squandered the opportunity.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by potatototoo99 »

lovich wrote: post #234
GuB-42 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A CEO is just an employee, paid by the shareholders to do the job shareholders want him to do. Usually, the job is "get us rich". The CEO can do a lot of things regarding the company direction, but it has to match the shareholders goals. Generally, if it doesn't make profit short term or long term, it is unacceptable, and here, Jack Dorsey essentially wants to kill Twitter as a company, so of course he can't do that.…

A CEO is not “just an employee”, even when they are not a founder. You don’t get to accept that much power and that much money and then pass off any responsibility because you have someone to answer to. Like really, if we accept that proposition how would society function? Youd have people in charge of tens to hundreds of thousands of peoples daily lives and output who just pass the buck on any issues because they go…

Boy are you in for a rude awakening

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by themenomen »

czbond wrote: post #220
rexreed wrote: post #202

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Having money and resources, influence and respect certainly doesn't hurt either. I've known a lot of great people with great ideas but poor in resources, networks, and connections, and also lacking much respect out of small circles. They were certainly smarter than others, but they were also unable to influence much.

True - but most founders don't have any of those. I know many, many founders. They were all broke as f*ck for years to build it, living off a spouse working ... to magically exit. It ain't money, it's hard work eschewing the other opportunities many so quickly jump at. It's being there building long enough to have "the timing" work out for you. Or it's being so right with timing that you in essence lucked on that par…

"living off a spouse working" is not exactly "broke as f*ck". If that disappears, then yes, is mostly about money.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by SilverBirch »

piaste wrote: post #271
SilverBirch wrote: post #156

I think to a certain extent there's an overwhelming culture in the SV VC world of being completely credulous. That exchange just seems like a uniquely weird situation of two people talking absolute bollocks and neither being willing to mention the elephant in the room. It's no wonder the second their plan hit the real world it exploded on impact. You would have thought the guy who ran twitter would actually understan…

I'm very blissfully unengaged in Twitter as well, could you kindly spell out what it is you are referring to as the "elephant in the room"?

The Elephant in the room is that Musk is pretty much the perfect example of what makes Twitter terrible, and Dorsey had more than enough opportunity to fix it because he was literally in charge of the company for years and did nothing. All the shit Musk is throwing at Twitter now is stuff Dorsey was responsible for.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by tptacek »

SilverBirch wrote: post #276
rayiner wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I’m missing some inside baseball, but what exactly is wrong here? Dorsey created Frankenstein and has regrets. I don’t see what’s childish about that.

It's about the context, Dorsey has basically been an absent CEO for the last 5 years. All the reporting is basically that he wasn't engaged, didn't make decisions, and in the end he didn't really step down from Twitter, he was forced out by activist investor buying up shares and pushing him out. It's not like he didn't have an opportunity to address the issues at Twitter, it's that he went off and worked at a differe…

There's also the fact that he's on the board of directors of Twitter while he's sending these text messages conspiring against the shareholders he represents!
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