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I am pretty sure it is working as intended. And the intention is not for you to customize your feed, it is for youtube to customize it for better retention in average. In dislike's case, you are marking the video as controversial which is a good metric for the video and youtube pushes it more
The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…
None of this works for me. I get constant recommendations for (what I consider to be) asinine lifestyle videos, and music videos completely unrelated to my interests. It doesn't matter how many times I say I'm not interested in K-pop, it doesn't help.
Why is everybody pretending the recommendation system is designed to show you what you want to see, rather than to maximise ad revenue?
Why is everyone pretending that the maximal amount of ad revenue comes doesn’t come from showing you what you want to see? Individual videos don’t pay to be in the recommended feed. There’s no opportunity to see an ad except when you watch a video. YouTube has a perfectly balanced incentive to show you more content you’ll watch. Where is the exclusive choice between (what the user wants to watch) and (what makes more…
There's a very philosophical debate hidden between the words in that sentence.
But since Youtube sees dislike as a signal to boost a video, it spreads content-views to things that people don't like, but feel compelled to interact with in (what I assume is) the "Not now, I'm busy - someone is being wrong on the internet" kind of way.
You can say, that is what people _actually_ want, since that is what they end up spending time on. You can point to popular subreddits like r/idiotsincars or r/makesmybloodboil and say "see! people love being enraged", and I think it is a valid view on defining "want", though not one I subscribe to.
I think this is not what people want, and promoting this kind of behaviour will in the mid to long term scare off users. My understanding of Tik-Tok is that they promote a style of feel-good content, rather than rage-inducing content and they are beating both Facebook and Youtube, who've been promoting dislikes.
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Search is entirely crippled for new stories now. If I saw some breaking news on Twitter I used to pop over to Youtube to find original or better footage than news services were getting, or to get it faster. Impossible via YT's search now, it's just pages and pages of old-media channels with their thoughts on the footage, always clipped down and talked over. Even Twitter seems to do this now, it's becoming harder to f…
Yandex.com, my friend. It even returns results from Ulta Cancelled video websites like Bitchute, Rumble and Odyssey.
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Isn't it fair that if every player you play against decides they don't want to play with you, you shouldn't get to play? Obviously something is wrong with you. (A 4chan style let's-make-this-person's-life-hell attack notwithstanding)
It wasn't that this player was disrespectful/racist/etc., it's that they were so much better that playing against this player was almost a guaranteed loss.
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Why is everyone pretending that the maximal amount of ad revenue comes doesn’t come from showing you what you want to see? Individual videos don’t pay to be in the recommended feed. There’s no opportunity to see an ad except when you watch a video. YouTube has a perfectly balanced incentive to show you more content you’ll watch. Where is the exclusive choice between (what the user wants to watch) and (what makes more…
> Why is everyone pretending that the maximal amount of ad revenue comes doesn’t come from showing you what you want to see? There's a very philosophical debate hidden between the words in that sentence. But since Youtube sees dislike as a signal to boost a video, it spreads content-views to things that people don't like, but feel compelled to interact with in (what I assume is) the "Not now, I'm busy - someone is be…
I didn’t like when they removed the dislike counts, and I still don’t like it. When I look for videos of folks working on Subarus, I don’t want to have to manually scrub through the video to gauge the quality. Before I’d just look at the ratio and if I was feeling generous I’d preview the frames to see if they had what I wanted. Now it takes me at least 2 mins longer to get to the same judgement which begs the questi…
The problem with the dislike button seems to be that nobody agrees on what it should be used for. In previous HN discussions, it's become apparent that some people use it to say "I am not interested in this video". That is of zero use to other users. The video isn't necessarily bad, it's just on a topic you don't care about. If you are instead using it to mean "this video is factually wrong" or "this video is obnoxio…
It's not dissimilar to the buttons asking if you enjoyed your washroom visit. Sure, it seems vague and stupid, but if one of your 30 washrooms is suddenly reporting 50% "dislikes", you know something is wrong.
I know people get upset about the political implications of She-Hulk or COVID or Rings of Power dislikes, but surely one would think the positive information for the content creator outweigh the negatives here. There were times when all of Justin Bieber's content sat at around 5%. This was probably an annoyance for his PR team, but I doubt many of them thought the feature should be removed entirely.
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Yandex.com, my friend. It even returns results from Ulta Cancelled video websites like Bitchute, Rumble and Odyssey.
It looks like it's owned by a Russian company. Does that affect what it allows you to see? I notice for instance that a quick search for "War in Ukraine" returns top results from Russian news outlets calling it a "Military Operation".
I run https://fiction.live which has a similar recommendations function as youtube. The key insight here is that dislikes are not the same thing as uninterested. People will dislike stories that they're interested in but think are poorly written or do not have the ending that they want it to have. If you use dislike to mean uninterested you are ruining the recommendations. Rather you need to have a separate button th…
Why do you expect Google (or any trillion dollar company) to care how good or bad the thumbs down or similar actions work? Google only cares about revenue and profits, for which it doesn't matter if the video is an educational one, a game being streamed or content designed to outrage people or spread hate. Did you watch the ad? Good. Google is happy. And google doesn't care.
"But I don't watch those clickbaity videos! Google's losing revenue on me!" Yeah well apparently not on 95 or 99% of the viewers apparently for them to continue acting like this :shrug:
Unless the incentives of Google and the viewers align (or regulation/competition forces Google), don't expect the thumbs down button to be more than a "Please Sir, I want some less" button-equivalent.