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Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

Andy_G11 wrote: post #257
spiderfarmer wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s an amazing feat. Goes to show we once were predators who weren’t fast but had the stamina to outrun most of our prey.

Interesting video here of one of the San people running down a Kudu which collapses from exhaustion after an 8 hour chase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o . Hard to compare this to Sorokin because the hunter is running in veld, not on a road, and has far less access to refueling points. Also, if he fails to track the prey down on day one, he would probably have a go again on day two, maybe even day three.…

You might find this interesting —

"Rather than being the elite heat-endurance athletes of the animal kingdom, humans are instead using their elite intellect to leverage everything they can from their moderate endurance capabilities, optimising their behaviours during a hunt to bridge the gap between their limited athleticism and that of their more physically capable prey. Our capacity for profuse sweating provides a subtle but essential boost to our endurance capabilities in hot environments. This is a slight but critical advantage that our ingenuity magnifies to achieve the seemingly impossible: the running down of a fleeter-footed quarry."

2020 "Are humans evolved specialists for running in the heat? Man vs. horse races provide empirical insights"

https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/EP088502

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

boston_clone wrote: post #248
igouy wrote: post #247

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> Goes to show… Let's think about that for a moment. No, it does not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting

fyi 2020 "Are humans evolved specialists for running in the heat? Man vs. horse races provide empirical insights"

https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/EP088502

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by boston_clone »

igouy wrote: post #261
boston_clone wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why you're attempting to call out non-existent fallacies and having so much difficulty accepting the hypothesis. The person in question averaged roughly 40 miles per day. The specific example provided in the wikipedia article - full of citations to supplementary materials - detail a group running up to 35 miles per day. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Neither Aleksandr Sorokin's 24-hour world record or Aidas Ardzijauskas's daily run have anything to say about persistence hunting. Sorokin's run is way too fast. Aidas Ardzijauskas's run is too long and too frequent. For persistence hunting think walking and jogging. Did you misread "The hunters run down an antelope, such as a kudu, … a distance of up to 35 km (22 mi)" as being 35 miles?

So it's not at all like persistence hunting - something done by traveling a long distance, usually running, over an extended period of time - because people are running for too far of a distance or for too long a time?

This is getting confusing, igouy.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

boston_clone wrote: post #273
igouy wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither Aleksandr Sorokin's 24-hour world record or Aidas Ardzijauskas's daily run have anything to say about persistence hunting. Sorokin's run is way too fast. Aidas Ardzijauskas's run is too long and too frequent. For persistence hunting think walking and jogging. Did you misread "The hunters run down an antelope, such as a kudu, … a distance of up to 35 km (22 mi)" as being 35 miles?

So it's not at all like persistence hunting - something done by traveling a long distance, usually running, over an extended period of time - because people are running for too far of a distance or for too long a time? This is getting confusing, igouy.

You were already confused when you posted the wikipedia link.

Aleksandr Sorokin's 24-hour world record is an amazing feat. Aidas Ardzijauskas's daily run is an amazing feat.

They are not like observed persistence hunts.

So when `spiderfarmer` claims "Goes to show…" we can just say — No, it does not.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by jononomo »

kamaal wrote: post #262
igouy wrote: post #251

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Walking is good. Walking doesn't raise the heart rate enough. https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/personal-activity-intelligence#Bet...

Wrong, Walking can be more beneficial than even swimming or running if done right. Please see: https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/heavyh... Basically use all your four limbs while working out, even running appears to be a dumb way of exercising since only two limbs are involved at any given time.

Thanks -- I've now added 2-pound weights to my walks. I felt some bicep burn during an hour of walking uphill on the treadmill.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by boston_clone »

igouy wrote: post #274
boston_clone wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's not at all like persistence hunting - something done by traveling a long distance, usually running, over an extended period of time - because people are running for too far of a distance or for too long a time? This is getting confusing, igouy.

You were already confused when you posted the wikipedia link. Aleksandr Sorokin's 24-hour world record is an amazing feat. Aidas Ardzijauskas's daily run is an amazing feat. They are not like observed persistence hunts. So when `spiderfarmer` claims "Goes to show…" we can just say — No, it does not.

Wow you're so right; I mean, when's the last time you ran anything more than 5km? That's likely some concrete evidence of humans not being able to persistence hunt. Or is that a non-sequitur, too?

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

boston_clone wrote: post #277
igouy wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You were already confused when you posted the wikipedia link. Aleksandr Sorokin's 24-hour world record is an amazing feat. Aidas Ardzijauskas's daily run is an amazing feat. They are not like observed persistence hunts. So when `spiderfarmer` claims "Goes to show…" we can just say — No, it does not.

Wow you're so right; I mean, when's the last time you ran anything more than 5km? That's likely some concrete evidence of humans not being able to persistence hunt. Or is that a non-sequitur, too?

16 km — 13 September

10 km — 11 September

16 km — 26 August

21 km — 7 August

Well, you did ask.

That's likely evidence, that once-upon-a-time, it was helpful to go a relatively short distance faster than walking pace.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by kamaal »

jononomo wrote: post #276
kamaal wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong, Walking can be more beneficial than even swimming or running if done right. Please see: https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/heavyh... Basically use all your four limbs while working out, even running appears to be a dumb way of exercising since only two limbs are involved at any given time.

Thanks -- I've now added 2-pound weights to my walks. I felt some bicep burn during an hour of walking uphill on the treadmill.

Ideally the 'pump' is not for your biceps, but shoulders. The book is really nice, he goes into the details of how it's to be done.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by kamaal »

igouy wrote: post #270
kamaal wrote: post #267

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>>pumping 3-lb weights while walking briskly generated 2.5-3X the workload of walking without the weights, and at certain levels, Heavyhands Walking approaches the cardiovascular workload of jogging. This the full sentence. The cardiovascular workload of jogging is for sub 2 kg weights. So it depends on the weights and pump levels your are using. 1 - 2 kg weights definitely has cardiovascular workloads of jogging. Th…

However you choose to exercise, measure resting heart rate and maximum heart rate to fact-check. https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/personal-activity-intelligence#Bet...

https://functional-strength.org/heavy-hands-training-dr-len-...

There are some more details in the above article.

The highest VO2 maximums ever recorded by a group of athletes were not registered by endurance runners, which is what he had logically presupposed before his investigations, but rather by Russian and Norwegian cross-country skiers. Why was this? He wondered. It didn't take long for him to come up with the answer: the skiers generated propulsion using all four limbs. The runners used only their legs.

While the majority of the aerobic world used two limbs, the legs, in their respective modes, the skiers were using four limbs to power locomotion.

The poundage possibilities were limitless. A person moving a pair of 20 pound dumbbells short distances for 10 minutes would net far different results than a jogger throwing 2 pound hand weights head high for 60 minutes.

Len's own transformation was mind-blowing and pointed out how effective the studies use of quad-limbed cardio exercise could be ...

(Followed by a table of resting heart rate details)

"The elite marathoner runs at approximately 75% of his maximum workload capacity. A Heavyhand user can generate 50% of leg capacity, 50% of arm capacity and exceed the marathon runner's 75% of maximum capacity using legs only. This is why Heavyhands feels easier. Lots of units, each doing less, add up to more."

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