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Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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Upsetting about the app, but the new iOS weather app has the functionality essentially. The real gut wrencher is the darksky website going down. It’s how I check weather most of the time a no other browser weather site comes close to it in simplicity and features.

I like

- https://www.meteoblue.com - check out the multi model, the multi model ensemble , the meteograms and the weather maps! Sadly the app itself is not as good as the website.

- https://yr.no - One of the few "free" providers with ECMWF model data (Norway has open data, that's why the data is free)

- https://www.windy.com/ - ECMWF, GFS and ICON. I don't like their presentation, but the available data is quite nice.

If you want a DarkSky replacement API, then checkout out https://pirateweather.net/ (GFS only, sadly :/ )

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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> Funny, you just explained how easy it was. But now it's so hard that Apple engineers can't just rebuild the parts they need? The parent said that the data Dark Sky uses is public and that anyone could start their own alternative. They did not claim that it would be easy to do so. They also said that it was probably cheaper for Apple to buy Dark Sky than build it themselves. That does not mean that Apple can’t build…

> anyone could start their own alternative. They did not claim that it would be easy to do so. Saying that anyone can accomplish a task posits some level of triviality or easiness that enables anyone to be able to accomplish it. If I say anyone can lose weight, it is safe to assume that I mean losing weight is easy enough that anyone can do it.

> If I say anyone can lose weight, it is safe to assume that I mean losing weight is easy enough that anyone can do it.

I would interpret “anyone can lose weight” to mean that anyone has the capability to lose weight, not that it is easy. On the contrary, I find losing weight to be pretty hard!

I do recognize that the phrase “anyone can do x” can often carry the connotation of being easy. But it depends on context.

Since we’re talking about a proprietary weather forecasting model and accompanying UI, I see no reason to assume it would be trivial. But rather that the data is available for anyone to use, should they decide to attempt to build the next Dark Sky. This is in contrast to building the next Google Maps, for example, where just getting a hold of the necessary data would probably cost a good deal of money.

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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>We still do not, and never will, sell your location data to 3rd parties. They sold the whole company. If they had sold to a data hoarder like Google or Facebook, I have very little doubt that the data would have been included. Who in their right mind thinks Google wanted to buy Fitbit for anything but their data?

I’m really tired of hearing everyone suggest Google is some boogeyman trying to do something subversive to get your data. Anyone who thinks this should grab their nearest google engineer and talk about privacy controls internally. Privacy is critical to the company and every product launch has a privacy review. In one of my launches we even had to add an opt in to allow users to share data with themselves because it…

> Anyone who thinks this should grab their nearest google engineer and talk about privacy controls internally. Privacy is critical to the company …

Better grab a top level business executive, who tracks company sources of income. Why engineer? He is far from money flows.

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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I’ve been on the iOS 16 beta for a while now. The Weather app is still hot garbage compared to Dark Sky:

1. It’s never up to date, and there’s no way to tell when it last updated. This has always been an issue, and it’s still not fixed in iOS 16. As I write this, Dark Sky says it’s 70°F outside, while Weather says it’s 68°F. Dark Sky is closer: it’s 71°F. There’s no way to get the Weather app to refresh. The temperature predictions in Weather are out-of-date. In a few minutes, it might randomly update.

2. There’s no way to see the precipitation probability in the Weather app, despite that being a very basic feature. Apple brands themselves as an outdoorsy lifestyle company. As someone who actually spends a lot of time outside, I consider this an essential feature.

3. Custom alerts are gone. Really, most alerts are gone. “Next-Hour Precipitation” alerts exist as an option but don’t work. Dark Sky’s precipitation alerts are almost always correct, but I rarely get alerts from Weather, and when I do they’re unhelpful.

4. Historical weather is missing from Weather.

I’ll be going back to using the NWS website once Dark Sky is gone. At least it’s better than the Weather app.

I don’t understand how a company that brands themselves as an essential component of an outdoors lifestyle could ax a feature like Dark Sky’s precipitation notifications and replace them with “next hour” notifications. That might make sense if you’re just using the app to decide whether it’s a suitable time for a jog, but that’s about it. If you’re going to be outside regardless of the weather, and you want to know whether to cover your backpack or temporarily take shelter, sorry, you’re out of luck.

I’m curious whether they made similar mistakes with the new Apple Watch Ultra. Once the cool factor wears off, is it actually going to be as versatile as Apple claims? Is it really for use outdoors, or is it just for showing off at parties? Anyone who’s tried to use an Apple Watch in the rain or water on a regular basis has probably experienced usability issues at one point or another; for example, if you’re swimming, Apple Watch might repeatedly prompt you to select your type of exercise, despite the fact that you’ve already enabled water mode and can’t interact with the screen. Rain can land you in a similar situation.

Edit: Reworded some excessively snarky comments.

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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Apple Weather's forecast is unusable in the whole of Europe because of the data providers they use. Pretty disappointing to have such a US-centric view on an app that's so integral to a smartphone. They either should work with European data providers or make the app unavailable outside of those markets similar to how they do it with the "news" app.

In the UK it seems to be just about the most reliable for me.

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Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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Folks here said the new Weather app has the same info. I upgraded to iOS 16 about a year before I normally would just to check this. And nope, it doesn't have the one feature I use Dark Sky for – the one feature no other weather app has: the ability to see what the weather was yesterday. It's what Dark Sky calls "Time Machine". (Can't believe Apple let them use this name this long, now that I think of it.) (I support…

> one feature no other weather app has

WeatherNerd: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882

Has a calendar icon, tap it to see any actual day historically or, if more tham 2 weeks ahead, based on almanac type prediction. Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now.

I’m a weather geek with ~4 folder panes of 9 apps each, and WeatherNerd is in the “must have” front pane.

Dark Sky used to be my #1, but was superseded by Carrot (which has a Dark Sky feed) for everyday use and Windy.app at storm-prone water front with microclimates and wind/wave/tide patterns, thanks to meteogram-style overlay of competing weather models for precipitation and wind.

Windy.app: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/windy-app-wind-weather/id99707...

iOS 16 Weather is remarkable though. It’s now easily third on my list, and would likely be first for most people especially since no subscription fee. For instance, try to use apps to look at UV graph for next Saturday — few can. The live background is fun, and the iPad layout is as much detail instrumentation as most people can handle.

But in my book, DarkSky started it all — the race for precise accurate practical usable micro cell weather, and happy for them they are now getting into so many more hands through the new iOS 16 app.

But Carrot is the spiritual successor.

Carrot: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/carrot-weather-alerts-radar/id...

It has TimeTravel too. And because Carrot has a fully editable UI builder, it transmogrifies into whatever weather app you like best.

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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Folks here said the new Weather app has the same info. I upgraded to iOS 16 about a year before I normally would just to check this. And nope, it doesn't have the one feature I use Dark Sky for – the one feature no other weather app has: the ability to see what the weather was yesterday. It's what Dark Sky calls "Time Machine". (Can't believe Apple let them use this name this long, now that I think of it.) (I support…

> one feature no other weather app has WeatherNerd: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882 Has a calendar icon, tap it to see any actual day historically or, if more tham 2 weeks ahead, based on almanac type prediction. Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now. I’m a weather geek with ~4 folder panes of 9 apps each, and WeatherNerd is in the “must have” front pane. Dark S…

> Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now. --

While not directly comparable I love weatherspark for planning travel [0]. I first used it to help plan honeymoon travel.

[0] https://weatherspark.com/

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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> By purchasing Lala, Apple acquired technology that would enable it to bounce everyone's iTunes libraries to online servers, so iTunes users would be able to access their collections from a variety of Apple's devices: laptops, desktops, Apple TV set-top boxes, iPads, iPhones and iPod Touches. [1] I never used Lala, but I have used the iTunes "Sync Library" feature. So, in my case, yes I suppose I benefited from that…

Definitely. I've used iTunes Sync Library and iTunes Match since the day they were released by Apple. Never heard of Lala until today.

Lala was great, you could upload your own MP3s and stream them or you could purchase them directly (for download or streaming as a "web song"). If you were a registered member, you could listen to any album/song once at no cost (not just on their platform, embedded in web sites too).

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#280
I can understand their rationale - who wouldn't want to be bought up by Apple, and the system app integration was likely Apple's decision - but the press release's attempt at rationalizing still makes for some hilarious corpospeak:

> Our goal has always been to provide the world with the best weather information possible, to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe, and to do so in a way that respects your privacy.

There is no better place to accomplish these goals than at Apple. We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.

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> Service to existing users and subscribers of the Android app will now continue until August 1, 2020, at which point the app will be shut down. Subscribers who are active at that time will receive a full refund. Weather forecasts, maps, and embeds available on the Dark Sky website will also shut down on August 1, 2020.

Even if you follow their reasoning here, apparently blessing new iOS users with their technology who have never asked for it (by integrating it into the system app) is more important than keeping the tech available for old Android users who did ask for it.

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