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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I'm fairly convinced that some of the Roblox controversy is a witch hunt. I have no knowledge of whether there have been legitimate issues, but the outcry I've seen on social media discussing Roblox and child safety often looks like a concocted story, and last month my social feeds were flooded with parents encouraging you to spread the word that Momo[0] is now spreading through Roblox and causing large groups of kid…

Watch both People Make Games video about Roblox and try to argue that the company should not deserve all the public controversy it is getting. They are actively stalling any moderation and protection because their profit margin would be severely diminished. Children's safety versus money, the choice is oh so simple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTMF6xEiAaY

Yes, highly recommend these videos. If anything the heat on Roblox is not turned up nearly high enough.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Does anyone have any insight into why Microsoft thought this was necessary? Minecraft has been server-moderated for years now and has been wildly successful. I've never heard of any hate groups or even hateful servers (I'm sure they exist, but they don't make the news in a way that would harm Microsoft). Is there some legislation that would make it a liability for Microsoft to not moderate all the chat? This move jus…

What? Minecraft is notorious for being one of the worst platforms in this regard. Imagine unmoderated Roblox.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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> what kids say when they don’t want to own up to the consequences of their actions. Oof. They're kids. Cursing here and there is not the end of the world.

Minecraft does not ban users for profanity. The list of ban offenses is currently: Hate speech, sexual content and soliciting improper contact, real life threats, exposing the personal information of others, posting links to malicious software, impersonating staff, cheating/exploits (this includes anything that would negatively affect another person’s gameplay experience), general commercial spamming Profanity is con…

> Minecraft does not ban users for profanity. The list of ban offenses is currently:

Are you quoting reality of a FAQ? I don't believe the FAQ rules of Microsoft much more than I believe 10 years old kids.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

It’s a sad world where only children are allowed to have fun.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I'm going to use profanity wherever the fuck I want. Especially on a fucking videogame. You are not entitled to have the rest of the world stop saying fuck because you don't want your child to hear it. Moreover, Microsoft doesn't have the right to impose this restriction on the "license" I purchased from a different company a billion fucking years ago. Malleable licenses shouldn't exist. We need real consumer protect…

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I'm not threatening you. I'm not degrading you. I'm not doing anything to you except making you read the word FUCK. You, on the other hand, are actively trying to insult me. I feel like this undermines your argument.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I think the issue is the ease of getting users banned, and the lack of actual moderating at all that is the problem. It literally is as easy as fill out the form, user is automatically banned, no verification required. Microsoft is not actually enforcing anything. My son is 10 and has been playing Minecraft for most of his life. I would consider him quite good at it. I sometimes watch. Every couple of months one of h…

>It literally is as easy as fill out the form, user is automatically banned, no verification required. Microsoft is not actually enforcing anything.

This hasn't been my experience. I've had friends reporting each other for fun across a ton of servers I'm in and haven't seen anyone banned on any of them, presumably because nobody has used any of the profanity that a report would actually ban for.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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> because god knows when I played Minecraft as a kid I saw so many conversations that weren't exactly appropriate. And how much harm did this cause? Because I saw the same, but I don't see it having any real negative effect.

I also have the same question. In my limited experience as the father of an eleven year old, it has continued to be much more productive to redirect profane or vulgar expressions of frustration away from people and towards problems ("Swear at problems, not people.") than to bubble-wrap their vocabulary.

Very genuinely, if your 11 years old need to redirect swearing to things and is unable to cut it in social situations, then he needs quite a lot of help with impulse control.

Because most of them, overwhelming majority actually, are easily able to not swear. They do swear when among peers only, but cutting it off when needed is really not an issue for them.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Hi, orsond from the fifth column here. The Fifth Column is a Minecraft hacking and griefing group. We created Project Copenhiemer which is a Minecraft server scanning tool. Copenhiemer scans the internet every 20 minutes for minecraft servers, logs players, server versions, mods and more. Originally we had created it to find players and grief their server worlds, highlighting how much information about players is lea…

The absolute worst people in the gaming scene (griefers) complaining about this must mean it's a good thing. Why do you enjoy ruining people's servers?

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I strongly disagree with Microsoft's stance. But I also think the issue is way overblown. You can simply mod servers so that they don't have this chat reporting. If everyone in the Minecraft community is so opposed, just create and exclusively join modded servers. Does not matter if they get labeled "Not Secure" if 90% of well-known popular servers have it, and there are tools and tutorials everywhere which make it s…

> revoking people's access to what they bought on shoddy evidence - if this actually starts happening to a lot of people I hope they get sued I wouldn't put my money on them winning that one. It's wrong, but the laws were written by and for companies. I don't think a judge is going to say that a company who runs an online service can't ban users for violations of their policies. Hell, if the law cared about making su…

They are not running the online service. These are community servers.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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"You can be banned for anything" here means "I couldn't just be a jerk whenever I want, so I'm upset". None of the ban reasons are particularly egregious for a game a lot of kids play. It's a social event, there are social norms, not sticking to them will get you ostracized. This is how society works and enforces sustainable and mutually beneficial interaction patterns.

Servers are a social event - that should be where the social norms apply. Different servers have different social norms. I should be able to use non-child-friendly language on a private server with adult friends (and friends of friends) without worrying about someone reporting me for it.

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