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The silent majority in software

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Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by recursive »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #262
ksec wrote: post #218

>While browsing HackerNews, I sometimes get the feeling that every developer out there is working for FAANG Bubbles on HN; Entry level Web Developers are getting $200K per year working in FAANG or Big Tech. Non-FANNG are getting $150K anyway. Ruby may be dead, but PHP is even more dead. Java may rule the enterprise, but you should not mention Java. No one uses Oracle or MySQL, why would you want that? Postgres is the…

I was with you until the 5G one. The only bubble I’m aware of related to 5G is the telecom people who keep hyping it. I have never ran into anyone anywhere, cyberspace nor meatspace, who has claimed that 5G was actually useful for something.

I don't pay any attention to cellular network stuff. I always assumed it was just faster than the previous one. (4G, right?) How is that not useful?

Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by drewcoo »

ttpphd wrote: post #7

There's nothing quite like an author getting basic history completely wrong at the very beginning. Really builds confidence.

Do you mean the paragraph that was lifted almost verbatim from the first paragraph of this Wikipedia page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority

Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by Lapsa »

eh2beifhe wrote: post #225
Lapsa wrote: post #47

with all the banning, down-voting and cancel culture in general - it's just not worth it. why should I even care if the receiving part isn't listening, got different agenda (yet another celebrity cult buildup || greed)? heck... the youth doesn't even know how to swear anymore. n word this, r word that - as if Lord Voldemort's gonna pop in. internet has created an illusion that teachers have become obsolete, even at w…

What is your point? Are you saying you can't advocate for different tech stacks without using the n word?

already said it. point is - *it's not worth it*. placed a small bait and that's pretty much all you took away from the post. why even bother? it's much easier to live w/o giving a crap that random dude from the interwebz might assume I'm a racist. unless you are an established public figure with bunch of sheep dancing around - exactly this is always the response. snarkiness, down votes, timeouts, public shaming. then I tell them to go fuck themselves and they ban me from their useless community. never ending bitching on stackoverflow about what's a duplicate and what's not. ending with KEKW

Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by kelseyfrog »

temphnaccount wrote: post #247
ksec wrote: post #218

>While browsing HackerNews, I sometimes get the feeling that every developer out there is working for FAANG Bubbles on HN; Entry level Web Developers are getting $200K per year working in FAANG or Big Tech. Non-FANNG are getting $150K anyway. Ruby may be dead, but PHP is even more dead. Java may rule the enterprise, but you should not mention Java. No one uses Oracle or MySQL, why would you want that? Postgres is the…

These are still non controversial. Controversial bubbles on HN are: * Everything should be free and open source. Just because small portion of the HN can donate to their favorite projects, everyone should run on donations. Ads are forbidden on the internet. No internet business should be a profitable company. * Tiring and useless interview process designed by FAANG etc is no way a farce and a totally justified practi…

* Technology is value-neutral

Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

devmunchies wrote: post #259
P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible to read on the internet without engaging in arguments.

I know :). That's why I was unambiguously grateful for the article and polite in my humble request.

I was responding to the idea that the silent majority lacks common knowledge by default.

Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by jrm4 »

silisili wrote: post #6

> Usually, the comments on HN/Reddit are polarised by a single group of people who have the same opinion, Can't speak for Reddit, but that's not at all the case here. For example, I often speak of my hatred of microservices here. I'll get some upvotes and agreement, some people telling me it's a dumb opinion, and some people telling me we're doing it wrong and explain their right way. Believe it or not, I learn a lot…

It's getting better, but e.g. try talking about race.

Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by [deleted] »

politelemon wrote: post #270
silisili wrote: post #6

> Usually, the comments on HN/Reddit are polarised by a single group of people who have the same opinion, Can't speak for Reddit, but that's not at all the case here. For example, I often speak of my hatred of microservices here. I'll get some upvotes and agreement, some people telling me it's a dumb opinion, and some people telling me we're doing it wrong and explain their right way. Believe it or not, I learn a lot…

> but that's not at all the case here. Very sorry but it absolutely is the case here. Your anecdotal data is limited to you, but HN very much operates as a hive mind, it just hides it better. Considering this place to be "superior" to other places only leads to complacence and further strengthens the echo chamber.

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Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by wbsss4412 »

recursive wrote: post #271
wbsss4412 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was with you until the 5G one. The only bubble I’m aware of related to 5G is the telecom people who keep hyping it. I have never ran into anyone anywhere, cyberspace nor meatspace, who has claimed that 5G was actually useful for something.

I don't pay any attention to cellular network stuff. I always assumed it was just faster than the previous one. (4G, right?) How is that not useful?

It’s marginally useful, but it also is extremely slow to roll out given the extremely limited range of the cell towers (at least the ultra high speed ones anyways).

Personally I have it turned off on my device, there’s not enough of a noticeable benefit and a non zero hit to my battery to have that part of the modem turned on.

Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by strictfp »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #206
fezfight wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to at least admit that there's an awful lot of stuff done these days to render what used to be done with html.

It's not what used to be done with HTML. It's what used to be done with desktop GUI toolkits. Web apps were never this complex before the creation of frontend web frameworks.

Webpages were designed to avoid complex state management. URLs, HTML and forms, i.e the original REST, is a model with a lot of power and flexibility, and almost none of the complexity of desktop UI toolkits.

Frontend web frameworks have their use in rich apps, but using them for general web pages is just complicating things for no good reason.

Re: The silent majority in software

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Post by astura »

donatj wrote: post #59

> Sometimes I’ve seen Pull Requests from empty accounts with a brief explanation of what was implemented. They just submit bug fixes, no drama. Over half my coworkers including some very talented developers have no public repos. As someone with almost 200 that always blows my mind. How do you work in software for years and not find some little hole you want to fill. That’s not a judgment call, that’s an honest questi…

>How do you work in software for years and not find some little hole you want to fill. That’s not a judgment call, that’s an honest question on my part. I want to understand.

Because most people (myself included, 16 yrs professional experience) don't want to do unpaid work outside of work hours. How do you not understand that?

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