It's really simple. All Zuckerberg has to do is drop the "dominate everyone" facade. But I think he's incapable of doing that
Is this the end of social networking?
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Re: Is this the end of social networking?
#272> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…
I think Mastodon or the other Fediverse projects do provide all we need, but the problems with getting there are awareness, intransigence, and excitement which the advertising networks provide. Most people are unaware of this free alternative because it doesn't advertise itself. Effort to change and migrate is too much for many people. Entertainment creation does not provide much if any revenue on free platforms.
So we have this divide of advertising products and the rest of us who do not participate in advertising networks. The trend toward the latter is growing but slowly.
Re: Is this the end of social networking?
#273> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…
> If we're lucky, that means a federated, open, mostly-ad-and-suggestion-free open source social media experience can fill the power vacuum for intimate, interpersonal, high-latency communication over the internet. I don't have as much hope for such a thing. To me, this trend is also a reflection of perhaps the societal devaluing of IRL social connections. In a world where encountering "new people" was novel, and typ…
This isn’t fundamentally different than urbanization. And this has been bemoaned as far back as we have history.
I’m older. I used PCs without modems. I didn’t have access to the internet until I was 15, and I was ahead of the curve. So I didn’t grow up with social media. But I was a heavy user. Now this an a relatively anonymous Twitter account are all I have left. Every time one evolves past me being able to have conversations, I move on.
But through all of that, nothing has really changed. I have my handful of friends. I have the restaurants where they know my order when I walk in. My kids still play with the neighbor 2 doors down.
In urban settings where people are swarmed by other people, they form little communities. The dynamic isn’t much different than a small town. There’s just irrelevant people moving around and through it.
That all said, I’m thinking about moving to “the sticks.” So maybe that’s just my family and I maintaining an old world view I’m attracted to.
Facebook? I’d rather be fishing.
Re: Is this the end of social networking?
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure there are ideas that aren’t allowed so much as the way you speak, structure, and present them. I’ve tested many different ideas on topics here and some have received far more positive feedback than I’d imagine and some have been buried too. I think so long as you follow guidelines generally and don’t outright attack individuals then you’re mainly ok. The community might downvote your idea to invisible bu…
>The community might downvote your idea to invisible but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t allowed This might be a nitpick, but this depends on your POV of who's allowing/disallowing content. HN itself allows a lot of comments that the collective HN community does not allow -- by downvoting them into invisibility.
Right, but I do think there’s a general fairness. It isn’t as biased one way or another as any places I feel.
Re: Is this the end of social networking?
#275Social media cannibalized itself to death in pursuit of ad revenue via increased engagement . The harder they pushed, with content assumption algorithms, the more toxic it became. The more toxic it becomes the more it appeals to extreme personalities while alienating everyone else, a poisonous viper eating itself. It’s only market lag between the revenue source, media source agencies, and the realization that better…
I don’t know if you remember or were ever exposed to the “Facebook is going to start charging for its services!” Panic posts that happened in the mid-2010s. It was always false, but when it comes to the internet, people have a strong sense of entitlement. They do not like the idea of paying for things.
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#276I really don’t get what is this panic about TikTok. When I used it for the first time, it just kept throwing soft porn videos. I see how people would get “addicted” but I don’t see it becoming any more mainstream than many similar websites. It’s recommendation system left a lot to desire as it simply ignored my preferences and kept throwing at me more of juvenile videos.
So far Social media has strived to be just consumption platform, not utility. Social media can drive every day activities from dating to finding jobs to finding summer camps to garage sale to purchasing gifts etc. There is a lot of untapped potential that FB unfortunately didn’t managed to build upon. The problem with consumption platforms is that they will fall out of fashion eventually. It is astonishing that large swaths of humanity suddenly don’t find FB newsfeed interesting any more. It almost happened to so many people and just over span of months. To me it looks like more of biological saturation rather than anything else.
Re: Is this the end of social networking?
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone did a show HN, for their murder for hire app to connect assains to clients, i imagine it would (rightly) go over poorly. At least i would hope...
People have a lot of sympathy here for Silk Road, which was in this business.
Silk road was primarily in the drug business not the murder for hire business. Drug deregulation is a pretty popular view at hn.
Re: Is this the end of social networking?
#278I really don’t get what is this panic about TikTok. When I used it for the first time, it just kept throwing soft porn videos. I see how people would get “addicted” but I don’t see it becoming any more mainstream than many similar websites. It’s recommendation system left a lot to desire as it simply ignored my preferences and kept throwing at me more of juvenile videos. So far Social media has strived to be just con…
This website is the only place I find people who say that the TikTok algorithm somehow doesn't work. If that's the case, why is everyone so addicted to it? Talk to any other person and their feed is completely unique from any other person. If you're into comedy, you get comedy videos. If you're into educational stuff, you get that. If you're into sexy girls dancing, you get that.
Admittedly the last one seems to be the default (I assume like in most cases, the most popular stuff of all is softcore porn, and therefore it'll default to showing that), but if you scroll past the sexy girls dancing instead of sitting through the whole video, it'll learn you're not interested. So I can only surmise if you kept getting them it's because you're watching them. I don't think TikTok has a feature to detect HN users and turn the algorithm off just for them for some reason.
Re: Is this the end of social networking?
#279I really don’t get what is this panic about TikTok. When I used it for the first time, it just kept throwing soft porn videos. I see how people would get “addicted” but I don’t see it becoming any more mainstream than many similar websites. It’s recommendation system left a lot to desire as it simply ignored my preferences and kept throwing at me more of juvenile videos. So far Social media has strived to be just con…
it simply ignored my preferences and kept throwing at me more of juvenile videos.
I did not have a similar experience at all. I’d be a little concerned if I had.
As others have said I think most people’s experience is that TikTok is absolutely phenomenal at discerning what people want to watch - even if they are not aware of their preference themselves.
Re: Is this the end of social networking?
#280> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…
> we basically don't have social media right now, we have advertising engines masquerading as social media
And that's been true of mainstream media for a long time also.