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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by leereeves »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #261
leereeves wrote: post #253

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People will learn the skills if the demand exists. That's what China did and Americans can do it too if multinational companies support US manufacturing.

America doesn't allow the labor or environmental manufacturing conditions that allow China to compete so effectively. We need border adjustments such that goods coming from countries with lesser labor or environmental protections cost more and those coming from countries with better labor/environmental protections cost less (it also has to be transitive so China can't just launder their products through the Czech Rep…

Companies don't have to buy from the lowest bidder. Apple could choose to support manufacturing in countries with better labor/environmental protections without any new laws.

I think border adjustments are also a good idea, but I won't give Apple a free pass for choosing to support such poor manufacturing conditions just to make more profit.

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Post by yccs27 »

iconhacker wrote: post #146
BudaDude wrote: post #119

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To be fair, China was ready to start WWIII a few days ago.

Only when provoked by US.

How is this even remotely a provocation justifying this kind of response? It‘s a diplomatic gesture confirming the US‘s support for the decades old de-facto status quo. China‘s insistence on their power fantasy is the permanent provocation here.

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Post by MichaelCollins »

MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #210
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #190

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You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

>Apple need to operate in the boundary of law. That's it Forgive me for being naive here but how does Taiwan buy weapons? Are all the arms manufacturers selling to them breaking the law?

The Taiwan Relations Act (TRA) is an act of Congress that requires America to make weapons available to Taiwan so they have the means of defending themselves. What that means precisely is decided by the President and Congress.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by msabalau »

FirstLvR wrote: post #122

I HATE the fact technology has to be influenced so much by politics. The only reason we are not travel the stars by now is our own fault.

We don't have interstellar travel because Apple's suppliers have to meet labeling requirements?

But yes, there are nice things that the money that goes to defense budgets could be spent on, if there weren't authoritarian leaders making irredentist threats against democracies.

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Post by praptak »

leereeves wrote: post #271
throwaway894345 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America doesn't allow the labor or environmental manufacturing conditions that allow China to compete so effectively. We need border adjustments such that goods coming from countries with lesser labor or environmental protections cost more and those coming from countries with better labor/environmental protections cost less (it also has to be transitive so China can't just launder their products through the Czech Rep…

Companies don't have to buy from the lowest bidder. Apple could choose to support manufacturing in countries with better labor/environmental protections without any new laws. I think border adjustments are also a good idea, but I won't give Apple a free pass for choosing to support such poor manufacturing conditions just to make more profit.

No, because then they'd get easily undercut by competition without such ethical scruples.

This is a tragedy of the commons problem, you need central enforcement.

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Post by Resurface6349 »

the_af wrote: post #166
daniel-thompson wrote: post #114

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Textbook example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I don't think shouting Whataboutism whenever someone points out US-centric points of view or double standards makes for an interesting conversation. It's become a lazy way to avoid conversation and relevant comparisons of behavior of the different world powers.

Well, in all fairness, it is a powerful way to change the topic while also getting people to sow doubt in a major source of your criticism in the first place, in political contexts.

Plus it comes across as a bit of a juvenile debate tactic, IMO. I certainly became a bit of a "whataboutist" when I was younger and coming to terms of realizing that the U.S. is not "the land of the free" and that they, too, can lie.

But at a certain point you realize that things aren't great but that things elsewhere can be even less great.

And then hearing the same stuff I spouted in that whataboutist phase just kinda makes me want to hit the eject button. It's just going nowhere fast.

Frankly, I consider stuff like that to basically fall under the umbrella of "useful idiot" plays. You don't need to be a jingoistic McCarthy to feel like this kind of aimless undermining of the US government helps keep things like voter turnout and trust low, both of which are easily exploited.

Not that there isn't interesting comparisons to make, but "oh, and like the US follows the rules?" when talking about a country with Skynet and maps claiming disputed territory in this day and age, just feels a little disingenuous.

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Post by bena »

NhanH wrote: post #143

Officially, Taiwan agree to the “One China” stance. They even agree in the 1992 consensus that RoC and PRC does not agree who is the legitimate government of both mainland China and Taiwan islands, but the One China stance itself is not something in dispute. The constitution of Taiwan claims sovereignty over mainland China, although they added an amendment to differentiate “free area” citizens (Taiwanese) and citizen…

Technically, wouldn't mainland China/PRC be the secessionist. The ROC was the legitimate government of China until the civil war and now considers itself a government in exile with the PRC illegally occupying the country.

Of course, the entire situation is vastly more complicated because, you know, the Taiwanese natives have their own ideas. And also the various factions have evolved their stances so I think there are like 4 or 5 different possibilities being tossed around.

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Post by galdosdi »

BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Well, one difference is the US is a lot more beholden to China (PRC) than to Russia. The loss of Russian energy supplies would be far less damaging to the US economy than the loss of Chinese manufacturing, for which there really is not substitute right now. China has more leverage vis a vis the US and the west than Russia does, in other words.

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Post by rexreed »

ericmay wrote: post #51
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

Apple is always in a win situation for themselves. They win from cheap labor (China labor, low US prices). They win from large markets (China). They win from keeping unions out of their sweatshops. They win by imposing their large will on dependent suppliers. In what way is Apple NOT winning? There's nothing no-win about this for Apple. they know exactly how to win, whether or not anyone else does.

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Post by leereeves »

praptak wrote: post #275
leereeves wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies don't have to buy from the lowest bidder. Apple could choose to support manufacturing in countries with better labor/environmental protections without any new laws. I think border adjustments are also a good idea, but I won't give Apple a free pass for choosing to support such poor manufacturing conditions just to make more profit.

No, because then they'd get easily undercut by competition without such ethical scruples. This is a tragedy of the commons problem, you need central enforcement.

Apple would get easily undercut by competitors with lower prices? Many have tried.

But yes, that could happen to other companies, which shows that consumers share responsibility for ignoring the labor and environmental conditions.

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