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Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by CJefferson »

sabageti wrote: post #224
adrianN wrote: post #113

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NP-hardness is indeed often not a big deal in practice because NP-hardness is a statement about asymptotic worst case complexity. In practice you have some finite size problems that are often of average difficulty, not of worst case difficulty. For example, we solve instances of SAT every day, some of them quite large. Even humans are able to solve many Sudoku puzzles, even though Sudoku is NP-hard. If you hang with…

How Sudoku is NP-Hard?

If you generalise sudoku to a board with sides length, with subsquares with sides length n, then sudoku is no complete.

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Post by throwawaycuriou »

fdeage wrote: post #138
SeanLuke wrote: post #92

It might be worth mentioning a famous abdication which caused a lot of consternation, albeit in another game. I love this story but may have gotten some details wrong. Marion Tinsley was world checkers champion from 1955-1958, then took a break, then again from 1975-1991, when he resigned in protest (at age 64 ). He was utterly dominant; indeed it is hard to think of a competitor in all of history more dominant over…

> He was utterly dominant; indeed it is hard to think of a competitor in all of history more dominant over his sport or game than Tinsley. Very interesting comment. This sentence about dominance in a field made me think of Stu Ungar, who dominated Gin Rummy so completely that he had to switch to Poker (where he became a 3-time world champion) to meet interesting adversaries. I couldn't find an exact reference for the…

Along the same lines of utterly dominant and lesser known, Jahangir Khan in the sport of squash. Most famously for 555 consecutive victories.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by dwighttk »

pverghese wrote: post #181
dwighttk wrote: post #116

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It is both okay to stop and do other things eventually and it also counts as ‘breaking’

So the only way for it not to be considered not 'breaking' is by losing. That makes no sense

Um no. Losing is also breaking. Breaking doesn’t have a moral component, it is just losing. The world champion isn’t morally better than everyone, he just wins against challengers.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by __s »

jpeter wrote: post #270
willhinsa wrote: post #201

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...or play 250 hyperbullet games until 5:45 am during the Candidates tournament when you have a game at 3 PM the next day. https://www.chessdom.com/firouzja-prepares-for-nepo-with-the...

Did the preparation pay off?

No

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by stiltzkin »

panda-giddiness wrote: post #192
SeanLuke wrote: post #92

It might be worth mentioning a famous abdication which caused a lot of consternation, albeit in another game. I love this story but may have gotten some details wrong. Marion Tinsley was world checkers champion from 1955-1958, then took a break, then again from 1975-1991, when he resigned in protest (at age 64 ). He was utterly dominant; indeed it is hard to think of a competitor in all of history more dominant over…

You skipped the best part of the story! > We [Chinook and the lead programmer] played an exhibition match against Marion Tinsley in 1991. And the computer told me to make this one particular move. When I made it, Tinsley immediately said, "You're going to regret that." > Not being a checkers player, I thought, "what does he know, my computer is looking 20 moves ahead." But a few moves later, the computer said that Ti…

Clicky without AMP: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/short-history-ai-school...

You are welcome.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by whimsicalism »

econnors wrote: post #190
dalbasal wrote: post #173

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Chess' centre of gravity is increasingly online centred now. Carlson himself has a lot to do with it. So do other charismatic super GMs like Nakamura. A light hearted, unplanned and unadvertised naka-carlsen bullet match can attract a lot of viewers. They both stream, and lots of other chess streamers will switch to watching and doing commentary when these matches happen. They'll play silly openings like the double b…

> A light hearted, unplanned and unadvertised naka-carlsen bullet match can attract a lot of viewers. I'd bet a 20 game rapid series over 4 days between naka-carlsen would attract more viewers than the world championship.

Viewership is not all that matters. I doubt it will happen, but I certainly wouldn't cheerlead the death of very high-level chess.

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Post by bena »

rollcat wrote: post #266
bena wrote: post #165

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Yeah. The live element brings something else to the table. It's not only knowing what to do, but being able to execute. I've played Starcraft off and on, mostly through the Brood War days, and never super competitively. My friends and I had a standing Friday night game we'd play. We were ok. My brother-in-law came to stay with us for a while and he had never played Starcraft before but wanted to try it out. So I said…

That's also why in a tournament (or a showmatch) you'd play the same opponent in a series (like best of 3, best of 5...). I once had a couple friendly games with a dude in masters 3 (that's maybe 1K MMR above me) and... actually won one map. My mechanics are pretty bad, but I have a very decent understanding of the game. He tried something funny - I scouted, responded, and killed him. If it were a best of 1, that was…

Oh yeah. We played with someone who played competitively one time and it was no joke. We couldn't get anything off the ground. It was literally our rec league flag football team going against .

There's a guy, Stanislav Cifka, who plays (or maybe played at this point, I haven't kept up) competitive Magic: the Gathering who was ranked fairly high in chess at some point (or maybe still is). He wasn't ever the best chess player or best Magic player, but he was pretty good in both.

So Magnus could probably eventually do well, but there's a learning curve.

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Post by lpolovets »

SeanLuke wrote: post #92

It might be worth mentioning a famous abdication which caused a lot of consternation, albeit in another game. I love this story but may have gotten some details wrong. Marion Tinsley was world checkers champion from 1955-1958, then took a break, then again from 1975-1991, when he resigned in protest (at age 64 ). He was utterly dominant; indeed it is hard to think of a competitor in all of history more dominant over…

Jonathan Schaeffer, who led programming on Chinook, wrote a book about the history of Chinook, the matches with Marion Tinsley, and checkers in general. I read it a while back and thought it was excellent, although it seems like cheap book editions are hard to find now. https://www.amazon.com/One-Jump-Ahead-Computer-Perfection-eb...

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by ProAm »

ihateolives wrote: post #137
SeanLuke wrote: post #92

It might be worth mentioning a famous abdication which caused a lot of consternation, albeit in another game. I love this story but may have gotten some details wrong. Marion Tinsley was world checkers champion from 1955-1958, then took a break, then again from 1975-1991, when he resigned in protest (at age 64 ). He was utterly dominant; indeed it is hard to think of a competitor in all of history more dominant over…

Where do I sign up for your daily checker facts newsletter? :)

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Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by 8note »

hnfong wrote: post #227
rawoke083600 wrote: post #23

Honest question: Would somebody at this "level" be better than good at something like StarCraft ? Noted that SC takes more than "just strategy" i.e micro comes to mind. Like I would pay good money to see Serral Vs Magnus, maybe after some coaching sessions with Harstem ? :D ? EDIT: Just out of curiosity will there be anything else that someone at this level is "exceptional" good at besides chess ?

Not sure chess players would be able to do 300+ apm though....

you should see fast over the board play.

Within a bullet game though https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/most-move... looks like 100apm isn't far off, and that includes having the opponent make moves inbetween

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