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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by JCharante »

moomoo11 wrote: post #160
Grimburger wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Good for you, but try imagine hearing this from a Chinese national. "Whatever it needs" to do...

Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

> On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of people who are here than other places.

Interestingly enough, this is the same pro CCP argument but applied to the US.

I will say that the melting pot is true and that the US is one of the most immigration friendly places I've been to. (from a cultural side, not from a paperwork side). In other places you can be there for 20 years and never be considered a true citizen while in the US people would consider you a true American.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ricardobeat »

pleb_nz wrote: post #267

The other side of the coin that I experience in my circles is parents and people just don't care. Everyone I talk with about pretty much says the same thing along the lines of 'if they want to look at my diddly Doo this then they're most welcome too'. A lot of people generally really don't care a hoot about this stuff.

It’s easy to not care if you don’t get the full picture. The data in question is not “your diddly doo”, but the aggregated diddly-doos of 200 million people and the insights and power it provides.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by netheril96 »

moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

As a Chinese, I feel sad that China succeeds in exporting its idea of restriction to the world.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by JCharante »

arvinsim wrote: post #178
puszczyk wrote: post #142

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Seriously, you equate banning TikTok to being a racist or an antisemite?

Banning Tiktok would have serious geopolitical consequences.

Just apply the same rules to them as they do to us and require them to store US data on US servers and give the government the encryption keys.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by hulitu »

Ekaros wrote: post #133
janekm wrote: post #74

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Personally I feel this is as much a failing of of mobile OSs as anything else. As long as we have an environment where ad networks think it's desirable to collect this kind of information it's going to get collected, whether by TikTok or ad networks. Apple at least attempt to limit what data is accessible by apps, Google is less incentivized to do so. It's not much help to "ban TikTok" while the ad networks run wild.…

Maybe the governments should force mobile OS to provide absolute zero information about anything to apps. If the apps can't get anything they can't leak anything.

The governments are the direct beneficiaries of this data collection either directly or indirectly.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by blacklion »

moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player

Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it.

Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and don't attack malls and hospitals.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by hulitu »

pastage wrote: post #209
soganess wrote: post #83

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From the link: * - Phone hardware (cpu type, number of course, hardware ids, screen dimensions, dpi, memory usage, disk space, etc) - Other apps you have installed (I've even seen some I've deleted show up in their analytics payload - maybe using as cached value?) - Everything network-related (ip, local ip, router mac, your mac, wifi access point name) - Whether or not you're rooted/jailbroken - Some variants of the…

Interesting! Is this allowed in GDPR? I would not think any of these points would be ok. You seem to argue that this is something "everyone does", that does not make it ok. I really thought we had gotten further in the privacy discussion.

If GDPR would be enforced, Google, Microsoft, Facebook and other will exit EU market. At the moment GDPR is a joke.

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Post by evgen »

RektBoy wrote: post #203
moomoo11 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

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> Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here.

Sure, you have no racial problems of your own to deal with... (http://www.romea.cz/en/news/czech/harvard-survey-over-15-yea...) There is an old saying about people in glass houses that you may want to consider. You may also wish to stop kidding yourself when raising the question of whether or not you are on your knees servicing American interests; if you did not see yourself in such a position then it would probably be unnecessary for you to act with such childish hostility.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by robertlagrant »

olalonde wrote: post #200
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

First, this ignores that the USA benefits tremendously from trading with other countries, most of all with China. If this mindset was applied universally, the USA (and the world) would be worse off. It also ignores that treating countries as though they are enemies can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It can increase the threat rather than decrease it. Second, it's not necessarily in one's best interest to live in…

> First, this ignores that the USA benefits tremendously from trading with other countries, most of all with China. If this mindset was applied universally, the USA (and the world) would be worse off.

This is true, but it only works if everyone does it. If one country is the main one that safeguards trade, releases costly scientific research (and open source codebases) for nothing and plays as well as it can, but others don't (and even look down on the safeguarding country for spending so much on defence instead of bread/circuses) then it takes a massive force of goodwill on the part of that one country to keep doing it.

(I am not a US citizen/resident, to pre-empt the standard ad hominem :)

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