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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

If you lie the toaster on it's side it works.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#272
post #8

When I was young and stupid, I did this. Suddenly felt some tingling sensation in my fingers, threw the leads away and jumped back. Most certainly saved my life and drilled in my head how dangerous it is. Still get a sinking feeling in my stomach whenever I am at some switching station below the 380KV leads, remembering that day. Especially after knowing people who got into 120KV, and what happened to them... Electri…

> Electricity is dangerous. In every form.

Well — so is an empty room, because there is no air to breathe.

Pretty much everything is dangerous in some form. You can die from excessive water ingestion. You can die falling from a bicycle.

I don't think blanket statements like yours are helpful in actually making things safer. Safety low-voltage electrical systems are designed to be safe - not perfectly safe, but comparably safe to other ambient risks of life. We can't bubble-wrap everything. There is no 100%, only a question of how many nines you want after the dot on 99%.

But regardless, the videos at issue are quite obviously not in the "99% safe" category and YouTube's behavior is egregiously inacceptable.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#273
post #240

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Well then this employee must've done it wrong, because I cook bacon in my toaster over (and now an air fryer) all the time. However, you do need a tray on which the bacon sits, which was perhaps your employee's mistake.

Are people using the word toaster to refer to two different appliances in this thread? In American English a toaster is a device that holds bread vertically between heating elements. There's a similarly named device called a toaster oven which is essentially a standard electric oven that's been shrunk down to countertop size.

Both the parent and grandparent to your comment were referring to a toaster oven.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#274
post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Scary. I recently did some research into what's behind the 'Jungle Builders' channels (two guys pretending to build flashy, but completely dysfunctional, pools somewhere in a forest with little more than their hands as tools). Seems to be a similar scheme, it doesn't invite viewers to recreate, but they leave a lot of litter and moscito-infested concrete pits behind. Most of them are actually in the same tiny forest somewhere in Malaysia that looks like a v2 of the Banksy theme park now.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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It would never even occur to me to watch a video on finding my AirPods case. Either there is an article or forum post for it, or I need to post a question on a forum, but no way am I sifting through the garbage that is YouTube.

Same. It's probably a generational thing, with the split at maybe 20 or something where video became both searchable and trivial in terms of bandwidth. But, to be fair, the Google-as-front-door internet has become totally useless for these types of tasks as well. Those wiki-style pages with huge walls of text offering nonsense advice are a plague.

Yes, I filter out all that garbage too, but because it is text, I can filter it out 100x faster than video.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#276
post #247

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Yes, it is in the same effect due to the ubiquity of the platform. IMHO, platforms with that significant user base should be regulated as utility.

So you think all guidelines should be eliminated? https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9288567?hl=en

Guidelines on the nature of the content? Yes.

Things harmful for the platforms itself? Removing stuff like spam is fair IMHO.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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How hard is it to use manual review for videos that have at least a million views?

What makes you think they don't use manual review for highly-viewed videos? The video in question wouldn't have triggered that manual review threshold because it's not even close to a million views. I would actually assume that highly-viewed videos are moved up much higher in the manual review priority queue, as it only makes sense. The controversies like the one in the article are generally among moderately popular…

> The video in question wouldn't have triggered that manual review threshold because it's not even close to a million views.

What makes you say that? I don't have a source on that specific video, but socialblade says her channel was getting hundreds of thousands of views per day in the week after that video went up, three weeks since her previous video.

Edit: Bing cache says 720k as of some point. Archive.org says 1.5 million as of three days ago.

I would have set the manual review threshold no higher than 100k anyway.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#278
post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

https://mashable.com/article/youtube-human-content-moderatio...

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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So drop it off at a salvage location. OP was complaining about salvaging it, like it was necessary. If you want to do is as a fun personal project, go for it, but it is wasteful of human time to salvage something that cheap rather than add it to a scrap pile for a professional salvage company to process in bulk. As a bonus, the kid learns that if you arent careful with your items they may break and be gone. you dont…

It's totally reasonable for an individual to say "it's not worth my time and effort to fix this, I'll just replace it." Taking a moral stand against repair-and-reuse in general is weird. Some people are on a budget where replacing even a $25 toaster is not a painless expense. Some people don't like producing unnecessary waste. And throwing it away without replacing it punishes everyone in the house for the kid's mist…

>Taking a moral stand against repair-and-reuse in general is weird

Nowhere did I do this, and the claim is confusing because I am a supporter of repair-and-reuse in general. People are extrapolating from me saying specifically that a toaster is not worth it. Toasters cause house fires. I would always sooner replace it for $25 than salvage one.

>And throwing it away without replacing it punishes everyone in the house for the kid's mistake.

A lack of a toaster for a day or two hardly punishes anyone, and the child sees that other people can be impacted by their recklessness.

> Some people are on a budget where replacing even a $25 toaster is not a painless expense

Yeah, I am one of those people actually. I have an emergency fund that I would happily use for this 1-off incident.

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