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Is that a serious question or simply poisoning the well?
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What does it have to do with LGBT rights? Also, your comment is completely wrong, but again it's representative of the weird hyperbole that sounds completely hysterical from an outsiders perspective. For starters, even if abortion becomes completely illegal in any given US state, you can still travel across state lines and get one. Not ideal, but in Afghanistan you can't get an abortion or even travel without your hu…
"Abortion is permitted until the 4th week of pregnancy, extended if there are medical issues" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Afghanistan ). Care to provide links to your sources?
Every single source relevant to the discussion on that page is pre-taliban overtake. Citing a wikipage is just absurd in this situation anyways,it completely misses my point.
The law can say anything, the reality on the ground is different. So even if the taliban were to keep the law allowing abortion, it doesn't make it actually allowed. It would be like saying that finland has the most restrictive abortion laws in the world because they don't legally allow abortions (which is actually illegal there). No one actually believes that, like no one believes women have less reproductive rights in the USA than in afghanistann, unless you really drink the USA-centric hyperbole kool-aid.
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I think it's a spectrum. When adjusting to local culture in a more colloquial manner, e.g., like what McDonald's and KFC do with their food in places like China, I think that is fine. However, when it comes to supporting and enabling ideology and policies that directly conflict with the values of the country that company is headquartered in and actually most of the developed world, then I think it's a national securi…
Who dictates "human rights"?
Most human rights seem pretty universal to me and really not that hard to determine, but at the end, it's the country that hosts the company, isn't it?
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But Americans celebrate tolerance and diversity of ideas, that is unless you actually disagree with us.
Tolerance and diversity are not absolute.
This is such a cop out. If you only tolerate things that don't offend you, that doesn't make you tolerant because you're not tolerating anything.
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Who dictates "human rights"?
Most human rights seem pretty universal to me and really not that hard to determine, but at the end, it's the country that hosts the company, isn't it?
That's a hand wavy answer that won't hold up to scrutiny. In some cultures, human sacrifice was permitted and seen as normal and acceptable. I think you would consider that a violation of human rights, but based on what?
I agree that companies should be forced to abide by the local laws and norms.
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> I cannot fathom being the person at Amazon who makes that call. Do they sleep well at night? Do they feel good about themselves? I'm sure they sleep fine. It's not the role of a retailer to promote a particular political agenda. If we all only transacted with people we agreed with, we wouldn't have a society.
> It's not the role of a retailer to promote a particular political agenda. Standing up to an authority that declares some lives less valuable than others (e.g. gays, women, having slaves) is maybe a political agenda but it is moreso a moral position, and that is the thing to emphasize. The trouble is, ultimately people tend to not care enough to stick their necks out (lose money, lose a job) to stand up for what's r…
Can you have empathy for…
- those who lack empathy?
- those who declare some lives less valuable than others?
- those who don’t care enough to stick their necks out to stand up for what’s right unless it affects them very directly?
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Most human rights seem pretty universal to me and really not that hard to determine, but at the end, it's the country that hosts the company, isn't it?
That's a hand wavy answer that won't hold up to scrutiny. In some cultures, human sacrifice was permitted and seen as normal and acceptable. I think you would consider that a violation of human rights, but based on what? I agree that companies should be forced to abide by the local laws and norms.
I think the keyword there is “some”. Extreme edge cases matter in things like mathematics, but they rarely make a compelling argument for fringe socioeconomic policies or viewpoints or enumerating human rights.
For my own sentiment, referenced as hand wavy, it is not that hard to let people do what they want with their own life as long as it does not hurt or infringe upon others’ rights. Is that really that difficult of a rubric to follow?
For the original question, I already answered that explicitly.
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"Abortion is permitted until the 4th week of pregnancy, extended if there are medical issues" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Afghanistan ). Care to provide links to your sources?
Every single source relevant to the discussion on that page is pre-taliban overtake. Citing a wikipage is just absurd in this situation anyways,it completely misses my point. The law can say anything, the reality on the ground is different. So even if the taliban were to keep the law allowing abortion, it doesn't make it actually allowed. It would be like saying that finland has the most restrictive abortion laws in…
Yet you can’t quote even a single source that supports your theory.
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>I also can't understand why we need parades that share what other people do in their bedrooms Probably a reaction 'what they do in the bedroom' being made literally illegal for a long period of time. I can imagine wanting to throw a parade to show the 'good people of society' that you're just as human as they are, with the expected goal being to ward off further persecution in the future.
No one is saying they are not human (straw man). Aren't thieves or murderers human as well? This is a weak argument frankly.
I think a lot of people consider murderers as less than human, and reflect that in the way they talk about them and the punishments they should face.
I think a lot of people consider homosexuals as deviants and in some way less than human, also. They might not say it openly but they think it.
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It seems unreasonable to essentially accuse the group "gay and trans people" of being a religion of fundamentalist zealots who demand total fealty.
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I can't control who I am attracted to - that is a psycho-biological issue, not a cultural one. I may simultaneously be LGBT but hate 'LGBT culture', actively dislike pride parades, etc. You are failing to distinguish between the sexual orientations and the cultural movement, in a way that I find discriminatory. It is offensive stereotyping.