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Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by EGreg »

I don’t see why this is a problem for society. Things rise and they fall. That’s markets. The guys who have created it are billionaires, they helped a lot of people. Now it’s time to move on to more modern things.

Similarly with decentralized projects like Bitcoin. I have come to appreciate Moxie’s stance on decentralized systems moving more slowly. It’s a trade-off. Can any Bitcoin maxis please tell us why we can’t look to newer projects for solving whatever it is Bitcoin was supposed to do but failed to achieve - be a peer to peer cash system for example? How about other applications like voting… why always and only Bitcoin, a 13-year-old project that barely evolves?

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by djbusby »

steveBK123 wrote: post #255

Jira is an interesting product everyone loves to hate. It has the do-whatever-you-want configurability to fit anyones SDLC. Really its a software product that allows you to mirror your organizational structure. That said, 99% of software projects I have been on could be managed with a simple Kanban board like Trello (which they now own). Unless your firm has staff who are full time Jira jockeys in the form of project…

GitLab is where we moved, they've got boards to visualize. Great replacement for Trello.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by parkingrift »

sien wrote: post #28

So with Slack there is Mattermost and Zulip. What are the equivalents for Jira ? Is there an openish source piece of similar software ? Jira cops a lot of hate on HN, but really to paraphrase Churchill on Democracy - "Jira is the worst issue tracking software, except for all the others". The comparison on Wikipedia has so many of them : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_s... Are any of them a…

Why does a competitor need to be open source? ClickUp, Asana, and Shortcut/Clubhouse are all competing in this space. I consider Jira to be far and away the worst one of that bunch, but beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

My personal preference is ClickUp or Asana as they offer flexibility to bolt on routine task management in a much more flexible way.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by maccard »

nemo44x wrote: post #215
ryanackley wrote: post #107

Worked there from 2008-2013. So early-ish employee here. I still have a chunk of shares from the original ESOP program. Saying that for full disclosure because I'm biased and this feels like a hit piece to me. When I worked there, they disclosed all financials in our internal Confluence site. There was a policy of full transparency with the employees. The owners (Mike and Scott) had impressive business discipline. Th…

The character Russ Hanneman on the TV show “Silicon Valley” took it a step further stating that having no revenue to speak of makes a company more valuable. It’s satire…but is it?

> It’s satire…but is it?

Depends on your definition of value. If a companies max revenue is $X, the farther away from $X they are the more of a return you can hope to get!

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by HNDen21 »

nemo44x wrote: post #215
ryanackley wrote: post #107

Worked there from 2008-2013. So early-ish employee here. I still have a chunk of shares from the original ESOP program. Saying that for full disclosure because I'm biased and this feels like a hit piece to me. When I worked there, they disclosed all financials in our internal Confluence site. There was a policy of full transparency with the employees. The owners (Mike and Scott) had impressive business discipline. Th…

The character Russ Hanneman on the TV show “Silicon Valley” took it a step further stating that having no revenue to speak of makes a company more valuable. It’s satire…but is it?

This was the Masayoshi Son/Adam Neumann playbook for WeWork... growth above all

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by mnkypete »

I am: a) a dev myself b) head of a small dev/SAAS company/team c) Atlassian Marketplace vendor

Jira is fine. Atlassian will be around for quite a bit, imho. They have a somewhat decent ecosystem, which helps a lot with the stickiness.

Jira could see a lot of improvement product wise, but at least it has been getting faster in the last year (still slow, though, but not as bad). Their new stuff seems to be a hit or miss, but I especially like their new Jira thing (Jira Product Management), mostly because it comes very opinionated.

I think Jira/Atlassian would benefit a lot from actually providing more guidance on how to properly use their product(s) depending on team size (e.g. moving from 5 to 50 to 500 person teams). Most other tools don't do this as well, but I think that would improve the experience for everyone, dev & mgmt alike..

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

dboreham wrote: post #244

imho Atlassian's problem is that they failed to capture a critical mass of SaaS services for software development. Everyone uses GitHub, which provides a (crappy) bug management system. Everyone uses Google Docs which is arguably better than Confluence for most purposes. Perhaps not coincidentally both these services are owned by companies that make their money from other things so they can afford to dump endless inv…

> so they can afford to dump endless investment in making them better.

Which is so necessary when your product is very reliant on integrations because maintaining that kind of software gets so cumbersome over time. The testing alone can sink a team's productivity.

I work for a Confluence competitor and we've based our go-to-market strategy around executing one problem very well as opposed to trying to build a set of products to sell as a suite and it's worked relatively well so far. Business people love the idea of integrations and some of them do act as a force-multiplier in productivity. But they also create tons of headaches for end users and can be very expensive.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by acdha »

sien wrote: post #28

So with Slack there is Mattermost and Zulip. What are the equivalents for Jira ? Is there an openish source piece of similar software ? Jira cops a lot of hate on HN, but really to paraphrase Churchill on Democracy - "Jira is the worst issue tracking software, except for all the others". The comparison on Wikipedia has so many of them : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_s... Are any of them a…

GitLab issues are better for all but very large projects. Jira will win on features, of course, but unless you have 50+ people working on the same thing, multiple dedicated PMs, etc. you’re almost certainly not seeing enough value to be worth the frictional cost and temptation to divert time away from the product to build Potemkin project plans in Jira.

(This is the same failure mode as many Agile-as-practiced projects have: once the incentive structure is decoupled from results, someone will have a full time job moving tickets around in a way which is considered productive even if the project is foundering.)

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by nickjj »

bitexploder wrote: post #256
nickjj wrote: post #134

Somehow I'm not surprised. A few days ago[0] I was writing a Jira ticket after hitting the "Create" button and I wrote the description (the body of the ticket) for ~30 minutes. I switched the ticket type from A to B (no epics involved) and it wiped out the entire description. All I did was select a different item in a select drop down box provided by the form's UI. There was no warning it would clear the description…

Just a thought, but a lot of Jira installs often have wacky addons and such. Maybe one of them created an undesirable interaction with Jira that caused this. Is that a reliably reproducible bug? Maybe something with how your team configured the other issue types? Very annoying bug regardless.

I'm not sure, I didn't set up our Jira account but it looks like default behavior based on this screenshot: https://community.atlassian.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id...

That "Issue Type" dropdown box is what I changed a value for and it cleared the description below it (also seen in the screenshot).

Our set up might be pretty basic because the A to B from my original comment was "New Feature" to "Improvement" which is included in that screenshot.

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