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Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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Why are the import taxes so high?

They tend to have very left-wing/socialist friendly governments, and instead of just building better products locally the governments have decided to just keep you from buying foreign things. Electronics are particularly hard to make and a desirable market, so they tend to have high tariffs or other limitations. Famously in Brazil they had a very inward facing economy (propped up mainly by the socialist candidate Lul…

For the record, given that the parent poster believes that "later arrested on fraud charges" is relevant to the conversation, I feel compelled to mention some important details that were left out:

- Brazilian Supreme Federal Court annulled all the cases brought against Lula because the judge overseeing those cases (Moro) was found to be biased and have violated due process [1][2][3]. Leaked conversations from Telegram revealed that the judge and the prosecution were actually working together and conspired with the explicit goal to put Lula in jail.

- UN human rights commission also concluded that due process was violated [4].

- Lula was found guilty and arrested before the 2018 election. He was either leading the polls or a close 2nd. Judge Moro responsible for the sentence that blocked him from running and removed the main adversary for Bolsonaro was later offered the position of Minister of Justice for the Bolsonaro administration, which he accepted.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-supreme-court-... [3] https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210625-brazil-judge-... [4] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/04/brazil-crimi...

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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Bom dia, tude bem, andrecarini! :) Currently I also live in Brazil but I came from another country. I also realized that in Brazil custom fee + taxes for abroad equipments are too high, a custom fee is 60% (yes, sixty percents!), the reader can look prices for Apple devices in their site for Brazil. When I compare prices between US and Brazil Apple sites, I found that difference is about 100%! But, you known, there i…

I think the "Paraguayan route" is very-well known to most Brazilians. However, a small FYI since you might not know this: you still have to pay import/customs fees when bringing the purchases from Paraguay into Brazil, so if you do it legally you might save very little money compared to buying domestically. Most people buying from Paraguay are smuggling (or they pay "professional smugglers" to do it for them), and that's where most of the difference lies.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are multinational companies who rely on slave labors from the mines to the factories selling for so high prices? (And how is it even legal?) That's a rhetorical question of course. As for the import taxes, i would guess because electronics are a luxury commodity in many places they are taxed as such. When not used as a luxury good for rich kids to play video games, they're used by industry which makes a lot of mo…

Wow, I have to say I strongly disagree with every single thing you said. Video games are a small niche in the universe of technology products. To use them as a justification for classifying all tech as luxury seems, well, extremely stupid and misguided. I’m surprised you don’t know, but the vast majority of businesses are small businesses with low profits, to act like they have plenty of extra money to spend on heavi…

> Video games are a small niche in the universe of technology products

Sure it's a niche but not a small one. Just like cryptocurrency mining, it certainly drives shortages and high prices. My point is that only such specific applications require brand new hardware: for other usecases the second-hand market (which is dominant in the Global South due to tons of containers shipped full of 2nd-hand equipment leaving Global North shores) is more than enough. So in that sense it makes sense to tax the new hardware.

Even without considering the actual applications, taxing new products is a good incentive to keep existing hardware running, which is much better for the environment (most pollution and energy used in the lifecycle of IT is in production).

> By the way, no one is forced to buy tech enabled products

That's definitely not true. Most people who want a car/truck/tractor want a reliable mechanical device, not a random piece of electronic junk with literally hundreds of microcontrollers who can all fail in mysterious ways and are hard to repair (if possible at all). The movement for the right to repair, which is strong amongst agriculture workers, would explain it better than me.

Also, there's plenty of situations where people are forced into owning IT devices. In raising livestock at least here in France, there's mandatory regulations for chipping all animals and equipping your farm with high-tech. Many public services will not talk to you anymore unless you have an email and cell phone to give them. There's probably plenty of other examples from specific fields: i recall friends working in libraries and hospitals mentioning how their IT tools (imposed on them) are driving them crazy and degrading their quality of work.

> And tech products are very low on the list of environmental issues in the world.

That's definitely not true. Please take a look at the stats before making such a claim. If only by CO2 emissions, IT is a great contributor. If you add industrial pollution, IT is one of the worst industries you can think of due to requiring complex multinational supply chains for mining, refining, assembling hundreds of different materials, and failing to recycle billions of devices.

> Not sure why an extreme tech pessimist is on HN anyways :)

Oh i'm not a pessimist. I just think we should not obscure the dark side in what we do. I hope IT can become a field of human emancipation again (helping people accomplish tasks, instead of controlling them) and we can build 100%-recyclable computers as a priority (instead of aiming for more DPI or more GHz). I'm just really sad about the current state of our trade and how computing is used to both destroy the planet and ruin many people's lives :)

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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Give yourself extra life. Buy the best tools you can. Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime. You'll never get the time back that you spend working on unimportant projects, sustaining old builds, placating unhappy people, working on slow computers, etc. Unless it's the fastest way for you to deliver whatever good you have to the world, put it aside, especially if you've inv…

This is predicated on the idea that new computers are meaningfully better, when they generally aren't for most of us. I want a new computer, but I go shopping and here's what I see: They don't have any more RAM than they did... 10 years ago. Maybe it's marginally faster RAM on paper. They run software that used to run in 0.9ms in 0.72ms and no one cares. It's all instant to me. The graphics got better, but not hugely…

> They don't have any more RAM than they did... 10 years ago

What do you mean? Today, building a desktop PC with 64GB or even 128GB of RAM on board is affordable. 10 years ago it was 8GB or 16GB at most.

> They run software that used to run in 0.9ms in 0.72ms and no one cares. It's all instant to me.

Maybe that's true for single-core performance, but nowadays you can get a 16-core CPU at home which I think is mindblowing. It's very beneficial for tasks such as compilation or rendering and can save you minutes (and it adds up).

> The graphics got better, but not hugely so. 2015 GPUs still run... everything

In my opinion, the difference between 2015 and 2022 is quite drastic. You can buy a display with an 8K resolution, 4K + 144hz, QD-OLED. All of these make a huge difference and they weren't available or affordable back in 2015. That's only speaking of productivity; for graphics in games, have you seen Unreal Engine 5 demos? And that's just a start of the next generation!

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#276

Our family computer is a MacBook (13-inch, Mid 2010). Last month my father-in-law talked me through opening it up, cleaning out the dust, and replacing the HDD with an SSD. Still runs great! Nice little unit.

Upgrading the HDD to an SSD is the easiest bump in speed you can get for an older laptop IMO. Now, SSDs are standard, but you can pump a lot of life into an older laptop with that simple swap.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#277

Bom dia, tude bem, andrecarini! :) Currently I also live in Brazil but I came from another country. I also realized that in Brazil custom fee + taxes for abroad equipments are too high, a custom fee is 60% (yes, sixty percents!), the reader can look prices for Apple devices in their site for Brazil. When I compare prices between US and Brazil Apple sites, I found that difference is about 100%! But, you known, there i…

I think the "Paraguayan route" is very-well known to most Brazilians. However, a small FYI since you might not know this: you still have to pay import/customs fees when bringing the purchases from Paraguay into Brazil, so if you do it legally you might save very little money compared to buying domestically. Most people buying from Paraguay are smuggling (or they pay "professional smugglers" to do it for them), and th…

Do you have to pay import/customs fee only when you bring good from Paraguay? What is about other countries? Is there a special regulation or a law?

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "Paraguayan route" is very-well known to most Brazilians. However, a small FYI since you might not know this: you still have to pay import/customs fees when bringing the purchases from Paraguay into Brazil, so if you do it legally you might save very little money compared to buying domestically. Most people buying from Paraguay are smuggling (or they pay "professional smugglers" to do it for them), and th…

Do you have to pay import/customs fee only when you bring good from Paraguay? What is about other countries? Is there a special regulation or a law?

Any country. This is not specific to Paraguay. Basically you have a personal tax-free allowance (which is pretty low, but I do not know the exact amount) for items brought into the country and everything beyond that has import tax applied, which will vary according to the kind of items you are importing.

This is not different from many (most?) countries, except for the fact that the typical import tax in Brazil is probably way higher than the average country.

https://www.gov.br/receitafederal/pt-br/assuntos/aduana-e-co...

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have to pay import/customs fee only when you bring good from Paraguay? What is about other countries? Is there a special regulation or a law?

Any country. This is not specific to Paraguay. Basically you have a personal tax-free allowance (which is pretty low, but I do not know the exact amount) for items brought into the country and everything beyond that has import tax applied, which will vary according to the kind of items you are importing. This is not different from many (most?) countries, except for the fact that the typical import tax in Brazil is pr…

Thanks. Is it only for Brazilian citizens? When I came to Brazil with my equipment and belongings, no one asked me to pay fees.

As I know, the tax-free allowance is about $50 and it works only when a parcel is handled by Correios (the national post), for other logistical companies (like FedEx) you will pay taxes and customs fees (practically once it cost me +100% to the raw price from Amazon US for a parcel below $50).

[I thought a little later] Maybe you mean for orders from international e-commerce stores? Because paying for taxes and customs fees for goods which you bring by your hands in your luggage during traveling by flight sounds really strange. Of course, I mean the realistic amount, not gray import like bringing dozens of iPhones in bags... For example, as I know, in Russia it was about the equivalent of $10000 in cash.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#280
post #119

Give yourself extra life. Buy the best tools you can. Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime. You'll never get the time back that you spend working on unimportant projects, sustaining old builds, placating unhappy people, working on slow computers, etc. Unless it's the fastest way for you to deliver whatever good you have to the world, put it aside, especially if you've inv…

I agree in principle. However in many situations "buy the best tools you can" is meaningless because one just cannot. Other comments have argued about this better than I'd ever could.

On the other hand, have you consider that maybe it's not the hardware is slow; it's just that the software you are using is just plain bad? Before I had my current desktop which I assembled ~2 years ago, my desktop was a 4790K with 16GB DDR3, which was cutting edge at its time. However it booted up Windows really slowly. After I uninstall the Adobe suite, the boot up time improved by 5 minutes. I haven't been using any Adobe software ever since.

In a similar fashion, when I had my 2011 MBP 15 inch, I once tried PyCharm on it. Guess what, after I fired it up (and waited for the UI to be stable), it needed 30 seconds to react to my first key press.

Of course now most 1st world people have SSDs, but bad software is still a waste of energy (ahem nodejs).

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