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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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My Ryzen puts that M1 to shame since it can run any Linux distro with full graphics acceleration natively. An M1 can't even do that yet.

Sure, but the M1 generally has a high-quality Apple screen (this laptop from HP advertises only “FHD” so - presumably 16:9 1080p and not Retina-quality 16:10…) and the Ryzen, though much less constrained than Intel still likely has a “boost clock speed” and power throttles itself when disconnected from power or due to heat. By comparison, it’s hard to call the M1 the fastest computer I’ve used - desktops are plenty f…

> Sure, but the M1 generally has a high-quality Apple screen (this laptop from HP advertises only “FHD” so - presumably 16:9 1080p and not Retina-quality 16:10…)

This looks like their current generation Pro/EliteBook lines. I have one of the higher end ones (EB 845) and oh boy does the screen suck. Not just compared to my 9 yo MBP. But even on its own. Very low angles, washed out colors. It's only advertised as 72% NTSC IIRC. Cheaper models have 6-bit panels on which you can see the dithering in the window shadows. It's laughably bad. And it cost more than similarly-specced MacBook Air.

Other than that it's a usable PC, plenty fast for my needs, and the RAM and SSD are easily upgradeable. Battery life is OK-ish (I get around 6 hours).

Also, everything works under Linux and is even less of a hassle to get going than on Windows (you need an external mouse to install it).

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Looking at the keyboard layout makes me wonder. How many devs here actually use the right shift key and/or the right modifier keys? I've been programming for 20 years (15 or so using emacs) and I exclusively use the left shift and left modifiers. I probably have never used the (physically) right shift/modifier keys on the keyboard I'm currently typing on that I've had for 2 years. I loathe the four left modifier key…

I actually use it quite often. Right shift when I'm typing with a single hand (for example while phoning or eating). Without it, it would be pretty much impossible to type anything using only one hand, because the rightmost letters are too far away from the left shift key. The right alt (gr) is very useful to type many languages (especially accentuated) using a US qwerty.

An (arguably better) alternative to alt gr is a compose key. It allows you to type many more characters than alt gr, and the compose sequences are generally intuitive enough that (unlike alt gr) you don't have to memorise them.

I have right-win set up for this.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Can't say anything particularly critical towards the offer, but, dammit, copywriting is so ridiculous here: "multi-task like a pro with ... pro", or "run multiple apps in parallel" - wow, what a novelty. Could they save some time, and efforts, and just enumerate specs? Targeting for devs you probably will do better with less empty words

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What is with those arrow keys? Who wants double wide half height up and down keys? 2 x 0.5 does not equal one full sized key. Am I really to believe that relabeling the win key to super is some sort of engineering feat?

And the power button sitting just above backspace. Point me to a dev who doesn't use backspace about as much as they do the return key ;-)

Back in the U I had to use some atrocious desktop keyboards in local classrooms. One had power management buttons right above the arrow keys and they had regular keycaps to boot. After losing my work for the third time after trying to delete something I just popped them all out.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Awesome, I love my ZBook x360 it is a great laptop and I can see that this new Dev One laptop inherits many design elements from the ZBook line. Linux is the cherry on top!

Edit: after signing up for the updates I've found this comment in the bottom of the email: "The content of this email is intended only for U.S. residents". Does this suggest that HP will release this laptop only for the U.S. market?

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…

Yeah, I didn't get the critique either. People are like we listen to music, have a few docker instances running and we use VScode, we need 32 gb Ram or more. Why do you need a text editor/ide which consumes so much ram? Is this the reason that apps have gotten more bloated and slow on older devices? Idk, I'm not a programmer. I think the price is fair enough, and if the ram isn't soldered (one would be and the other…

The moment you have to work on a large code base either in Java or C++ you almost never have enough resources. 64GB RAM is fair, 32GB bare minimum to work on such codebases. Otherwise everything slows down, IntelliJ will take 2 seconds to open up etc.

If you don't work on such code bases then yes 16GB is more than enough and 8GB you can live with on your day to day life.

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16G is not much RAM for a developer laptop. Do they understand what developers do these days? ie: running entire prod infrastructure using kubernetes or docker-compose on their dev setup is increasingly common.

Always amazed hearing how other people work... I want my laptop to be portable, have a nice screen, long lasting battery and run cool and silent. There are way better machines to run an "entire prod infrastructure" and you can easily reach them with ssh.

No kidding. I want my laptops light and slim.

My personal laptop is a slick Lenovo with a Ryzen 5800H, 16:10 screen and only 16 GB ram. I prefer it much better than my work provided "mobile workstation" that is hot, heavy and loud piece of shit with tons of ram, useless Xeon and a quadro. I know there are people who need this shit but this setup is the norm that barely anyone around here needs

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