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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by ddoolin »

Goronmon wrote: post #154
sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

I genuinely had no idea people still used those, or that they were still made with those.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by LtdJorge »

arinlen wrote: post #236
cowtools wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

> I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. 1080p doesn't mean much if you leave out the screen's pixel density. There's a world of difference between a smartphone with a 5' 1080p screen and a 24' monitor with a 1080p screen.

And distance to it

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by colordrops »

petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

No it's not 150% scaling. You can run native resolution just fine. With Linux it's actually better than higher resolutions, as the dot pitch is similar to a 27" 4k external monitor, so you can scale natively on both and have windows look approximately the same size. My other laptop is 4k, and it's a nightmare getting scaling to work because it has such a higher DPI than my external monitor. If Linux had better scaling support for HiDPI I'd prefer a 4k laptop but it doesn't, so native resolution is the way to go.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by spaniard89277 »

jakamau wrote: post #170
DeathArrow wrote: post #61

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I'm wondering what's the battery life and power usage under Linux. For many laptops this is a problem.

I've had my framework laptop for about six months and I'm not really a linux adept (I basically just read online guides and bash on my keyboard until the problem fixes itself). But honestly, I genuinely enjoy using the framework laptop with Fedora. The battery life during light(7w)-moderate(12w) usage is approximately 5 hours. Stand-by was the real issue in my opinion (it would drain 1-2%/hour). I got around this iss…

Do you have tlp installed?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

arinlen wrote: post #242
pkulak wrote: post #228

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It's possible for an OS to support fractional scaling properly; just tell applications to render their windows 1.5 times larger, map the inputs properly, and turn off font anti-aliasing. The problem is that it requires every app to be updated, which hasn't happened everywhere yet. Android and iOS, for example, do it perfectly. So does ChromeOS.

> (...) just tell applications to render their windows 1.5 times larger, map the inputs properly, and turn off font anti-aliasing. Doesn't disabling anti-aliasing make things look worse? Unintentional and random jagged lines never look right.

anti-aliasing matters a lot less when you have a high resolution display.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by cowtools »

arinlen wrote: post #236
cowtools wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

> I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. 1080p doesn't mean much if you leave out the screen's pixel density. There's a world of difference between a smartphone with a 5' 1080p screen and a 24' monitor with a 1080p screen.

That's a good point. But distance also plays a factor. Perhaps we should be measuring in pixels per degree at the viewing distance.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by bitwize »

Love the shoutouts to the recent Framework Mainboard cyberdeck projects. Framework is clearly right out in front in terms of hacker community goodwill. Keep it up, guys -- push it further. With enough clout, as an OEM you might be able to push back against Intel on things like ME, and make our hardware even more freedom-respecting.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by kieranl »

nfriedly wrote: post #226
nrp wrote: post #121

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Unfortunately, Realtek is the one and only choice for a USB 3.1 to 2.5Gbit Ethernet controller. We don't like it any more than you do, but there are several niches in the PC peripheral space where there is no alternative to using a Realtek part.

What about a Thunderbolt connection and a PCIe ethernet adapter - could that work?

The power consumption of this would be too high.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by guerby »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Hi nrp

I demo-ed my frame.work laptop yesterday to https://www.matinfo-esr.fr/ which is a single buyer entity for all french universities and public research institutes (once hardware is in their catalog it's click to order for universities without administrative hassle).

They showed interest on the non obsolescence, durability and repairability aspect of frame.work since these features are part of their public service mission.

Feel free to contact me, my email is on the website listed on my HN profile

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by giantrobot »

Kototama wrote: post #237
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

Maybe you can accept that no project is perfect, specially young projects and that the exceptional effort they put to have the laptop modular are a big benefits for the environment and having less resource consumption, which is maybe, maybe, more important than a retina display?

The environmental benefit of a laptop with modular components is debatable at best and negligible at worst. At the scale of the Framework laptop's production it's meaningless.

As for the display, for a laptop supposedly intended to last years, every human interface component should be the best available option. The ergonomics are important for a long lived device. It shouldn't become problematic just because the owner aged. Otherwise the laptop ends up the same as any other where the owner tosses it after it becomes uncomfortable to use. All the benefits of modularity are lost if it ends up in a landfill.

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