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Plastic-eating enzyme could eliminate billions of tons of landfill waste

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I used to think like that too, but in many fields, there is a huge pressure against "passing it on" because of some producers that optimise price over everything else. If your only competitive advantage is being cheaper than the rest and now everyone is raising prices, doing the same will not only hurt your appearance as the "reliable value brand", but you'll be wasting a huge opportunity to grab a big new chunk of t…

Bag taxes are already passed on to customers though.

Yes, but there are also many paper and multi-use bags available now that weren't before the tax. Because they knew the price increase would anger customers, they created alternatives that don't fall under the tax and thus give the customer a better value than the old option now with tax.

(plastic bags are, however, a pretty unique case, as they used to be free and the dynamics of "free vs paid" are way different than "paid vs paid but slightly more expensive)

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Make a disposable plastic container cost an extra dollar paid at time of manufacture. Double the cost every year. We will be 100% migrated by the end of 2023.

Someone will have to mandate the price of something. That sounds an awful lot like a "regulation", doesn't it ? Also, ironically, if you start regulating it (bannings plastics straws, disposable packaging, etc...) you'll get trashed on twitter _by_ the most ardent environmentalist, (and mocked by comedians) because it is "obviously not on the scale of the problem and just green washing that is not going to help anyth…

Some cities in the us have banned plastic bags too. Mine has. Very nice to not see them entangled in trees anymore.

Re: Plastic-eating enzyme could eliminate billions of tons of landfill waste

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Here's a thought. Since there are enzymes that break down plastics, isn't it just a matter of time before we get macroscopic organisms that start to make it and use it to feed on the plastics? The reason we have coal is because plants developed lignins and for a long time fungi could not break down the lignins (hence the accumulation of carbon). Then fungi developed strategies to break down lignins and the accumulation of carbon stopped. Same with this. It's just a matter of time till some organism develops a way to break down plastics into usable material.

Re: Plastic-eating enzyme could eliminate billions of tons of landfill waste

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Here's a thought. Since there are enzymes that break down plastics, isn't it just a matter of time before we get macroscopic organisms that start to make it and use it to feed on the plastics? The reason we have coal is because plants developed lignins and for a long time fungi could not break down the lignins (hence the accumulation of carbon). Then fungi developed strategies to break down lignins and the accumulati…

We've only had plastics for the better part of a century. How long did it take the fungi to evolve to eat lignins?

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I'm going to guess that large amounts of CO2 is a byproduct and is vented.

CO2 is bad but not toxic at all. It's inert. The toxic ones are toxic because they still have some energy left and the earlier you pull out that energy the better. Preferably in a plant that puts that energy to some form of use.

Have you been under a rock for the last 20 years?

Re: Plastic-eating enzyme could eliminate billions of tons of landfill waste

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Here's a thought. Since there are enzymes that break down plastics, isn't it just a matter of time before we get macroscopic organisms that start to make it and use it to feed on the plastics? The reason we have coal is because plants developed lignins and for a long time fungi could not break down the lignins (hence the accumulation of carbon). Then fungi developed strategies to break down lignins and the accumulati…

We've only had plastics for the better part of a century. How long did it take the fungi to evolve to eat lignins?

I don't remember. Heard it during a podcast during the last year, don't even remember which podcast and what the topic was.

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yeah this seems like something on a scale that's worth regulating, if we stopped now we'd probably still be mitigating the effects 50 years from now

Make a disposable plastic container cost an extra dollar paid at time of manufacture. Double the cost every year. We will be 100% migrated by the end of 2023.

I wouldn't even mind a deposit fee, like with aluminum cans, for example

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People should have fewer kids anyway, I see this as an absolute win.

Speaking as someone that had to go through IVF, that's a bit like celebrating cancer for reducing the population. Infertility is devastating for you and your relationship when you want to have children.

Infertility would be "none", and I didn't say that, I said "fewer".

But I'm sorry you've put such an important emphasis on having kids in your relationship. The fact that you live in a society where that's reasonable is immensely sad, to me.

You should feel whole without children, and the fact that you don't is the real tragedy, IMO.

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Source?

A more accurate claim: 46% of the mass of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch is fishing nets. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22939-w

Plastic pollution of oceans is much much bigger problem than just pacific garbage patch.

Re: Plastic-eating enzyme could eliminate billions of tons of landfill waste

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Make a disposable plastic container cost an extra dollar paid at time of manufacture. Double the cost every year. We will be 100% migrated by the end of 2023.

Companies will just pass the cost to the consumer, blame regulation, and keep using plastic because it's easier and there's nothing we can do to stop them.

Thats fine, customers can pay for the long-term costs of the products they use. It will help create a market for biodegradable or fully recyclable alternatives.
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