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Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by mhh__ »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #247
mhh__ wrote: post #116

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Of course it doesn't make sense. I think it's just a dog whistle to the people who believe google have a guy in a room somewhere turning the "conservative search results" lever down a notch during elections.

A comparison I did from four months ago across google, ddg, yandex, and search.brave, searching for "are conservatives being silenced by big tech" https://i.imgur.com/MVlshAT.png You don't have to be conservative to see there's a pretty significant bias, just in the headlines. I'm a Pacific Green and I can still see it.

Top result from google for me is: "Big Tech’s Conservative Censorship Inescapable and Irrefutable" from the Heritage foundation.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by lupire »

KrishnaShripad wrote: post #169
mhh__ wrote: post #116

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Of course it doesn't make sense. I think it's just a dog whistle to the people who believe google have a guy in a room somewhere turning the "conservative search results" lever down a notch during elections.

Was it the algorithm or was it a "guy in a room" which/who decided to block New York Post's article on Hunter Biden's laptop scandal?

Twitter has a clear policy about posting and linking to doxxing / stolen private files / revenge porn. They never blocked based on commentary about the the laptop or the Burisma allegations, and only blocked NY Post account until they stopped trying to post the doxxing / revenge porn content.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

philosopher1234 wrote: post #252
memish wrote: post #188

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"Among the elite, and within Twitter specifically, there is much more inclination to ban the right. I say this as someone whose political views, if you force them onto the left-right spectrum, probably end up about 80% toward the left. E.g. I've spent millions over the past several elections supporting the Democrats. It used to be that censorship was something the right did, and free speech was something the left wer…

I’m pro censorship. We have and need speech norms. The left and right are not equal. The left does not rely as much on lies to advocate its positions, and the left is not as oriented around destruction and regression as the right. We need a more robust understanding of speech than “allowed or not”. Emphasis & volume matters.

"does not rely as much on lies to advocate its positions"

To be honest, that's hilariously false. The left suppressed Hunter Biden's laptop story for two years, saying it was misinformation, before admitting it was true. The IRS targeted right-wing and Christian non-profit organizations deliberately for auditing. Obama claimed that forcing nuns to buy health insurance covering birth control was necessary, and claimed you could keep your doctor under Obamacare, which even PolitiFact called a Pants-on-Fire Lie. The left claimed that a baker needed to make a personalized cake supporting gay rights, or it would open the waves to discrimination, even though the baker was willing to sell any other cake to them that wasn't customized with that particular label.

I can go on and on.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by etchalon »

nickstinemates wrote: post #270
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #256

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> I think it's just a dog whistle to the people who believe google have a guy in a room somewhere turning the "conservative search results" lever down a notch during elections. Even if that's precisely true, is it not good to be creating a more trusted space for everyone? The grievances, regardless of merit, are mostly coming from the right. If you want to create a service that caters to all you're going to have to a…

Perception is reality and right now the perception is a clear bias toward the left on Twitter. Anything that can be done to combat this fairly is a good thing.

Everyone seems to think that accept for the left on Twitter who believe there's a clear bias towards the right.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by oxplot »

Musk has repeatedly talked about "open sourcing" twitter's algorithm. Given Musk is (understandably) super impatient, this repo may be his first move. I expect this to start with bunch of readme and other high level docs and evolve into details and eventually code.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by mardifoufs »

lupire wrote: post #273
KrishnaShripad wrote: post #242

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Yep it was!

"it" is carrying a lot of weight.

What do you mean? The laptop has been proven to be hunter's, and most sources agree that the contents are real (especially the emails, which have been proven to be true). So what gives?

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by philosopher1234 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #274
philosopher1234 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pro censorship. We have and need speech norms. The left and right are not equal. The left does not rely as much on lies to advocate its positions, and the left is not as oriented around destruction and regression as the right. We need a more robust understanding of speech than “allowed or not”. Emphasis & volume matters.

"does not rely as much on lies to advocate its positions" To be honest, that's hilariously false. The left suppressed Hunter Biden's laptop story for two years, saying it was misinformation, before admitting it was true. The IRS targeted right-wing and Christian non-profit organizations deliberately for auditing. Obama claimed that forcing nuns to buy health insurance covering birth control was necessary, and claimed…

Please, do go on and on. You can stop when you get to the left attempting to overturn the American presidential election.

Edit: are our neoliberal overlords a bunch of cold hearted shit heads? Yes. Should we elect and promote barely disguised fascists in response? No.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by mhh__ »

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #256
mhh__ wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it doesn't make sense. I think it's just a dog whistle to the people who believe google have a guy in a room somewhere turning the "conservative search results" lever down a notch during elections.

> I think it's just a dog whistle to the people who believe google have a guy in a room somewhere turning the "conservative search results" lever down a notch during elections. Even if that's precisely true, is it not good to be creating a more trusted space for everyone? The grievances, regardless of merit, are mostly coming from the right. If you want to create a service that caters to all you're going to have to a…

My whole point is that the task is sufficiently impossible (either technically or in terms of satisfying people) that aiming to do it feels like pure bluster. It will never be fair - you can interpret that sentence however you see fit.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by bsimpson »

johns wrote: post #21

Will Norris who works on OSS at Twitter posted this[0]: "watch this space https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm " [0]: https://twitter.com/willnorris/status/1518694675909013504

Oh hey - I didn't know he'd left Google. He was a big part of open source there too.
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