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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post a screenshot, otherwise I agree with others that you're just lying.

That is not allowed (for good reason) and I don't want to get fired, if you work at Google you can ping me and I can send it to you.

What is that good reason? The only thing I can come up with is "don't release internal documents", which is a blanket reason and not what I'd consider compelling, but I suspect I'm having a failure of imagination

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

This attempt at "de-offensive-izing" all language has the effect of turning clear, evocative phrases to mush. George Carlin's skit couldn't be more timely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isMm2vF4uFs

Putting myself in the shoes of a kid learning about computers, I find some of these phrases to be more clear, not less clear.

Two examples:

Allowlist and denylist are much clearer to a kid learning about computers than whitelist or blacklist. If you've never heard of whitelist before, it's sounds like a list of things that are white. If you've never of allowlist, it's pretty obvious what it means - a list of things that are allowed.

Similarly, mainboard is clearer than motherboard. Mainboard implies there's one main board. Motherboard could be more ambiguous to someone who's never seen the inside of a computer. Are there two boards, mother and father? Do boards somehow inherit from one another? Is there a grandmother board that's even bigger? Obvious to us, but not obvious to a kid learning computers for the first time.

Not saying these terms are better (there's a huge switching cost and the terms are less colorful), but do want to point out there are dimensions to consider beyond inclusivity. One benefit is better language precision.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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post #9

In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

I am incredulous at the "mother" to "birthing person" requirement. I have seen one or two people with such prescriptive views on language but the vast majority of people I know consider it ridiculous. And I am in an incredibly "woke" social bubble.

I've been incredulous to this stuff for 15 years, but violating rules I was incredulous about 5 years ago would be fired and black listed from my industry now.

Maybe the pendulum will stop or swing back, but "that's not going to catch on" has been wrong for nearly two decades.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

On landlord I can’t think of a proper synonym. Property owner and proprietor are broader categories of what a landlord is. They don’t mean the person you’re paying rent to for your housing.

To play along with this game, one can say that replacing "landlord" with "property owner" is offensive to those with ancestors who were deemed property.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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If you can (i.e. you don't fear persecution), please let them know that this was the reason. Part of the reason these things have taken off is that their proponents are very vocal, while the opponents prefer to just mind their own business.

I imagine the leadership are aware of how toxic and repellent this culture is -- despite, i'd imagine, having no clear strategy to reform it.

Shareholders have to step up and get a leadership that can take care of it.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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There are more slaves added each year in the US today than at the peak of transatlantic trade: https://www.britannica.com/summary/Transatlantic-Slave-Trade... Peak transatlantic: 78,000 new slaves per year. https://thecurrentmsu.com/2021/01/24/prison-labor-americas-s... Current US forced prison labor population: 1-2.1 million.

You may not like the US prison system, but calling it slavery is at the very least intellectually dishonest.

Why? The Penal labor exemption is the one case where slavery or involuntary servitude is still permitted in the US constitution.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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There are more slaves added each year in the US today than at the peak of transatlantic trade: https://www.britannica.com/summary/Transatlantic-Slave-Trade... Peak transatlantic: 78,000 new slaves per year. https://thecurrentmsu.com/2021/01/24/prison-labor-americas-s... Current US forced prison labor population: 1-2.1 million.

You may not like the US prison system, but calling it slavery is at the very least intellectually dishonest.

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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>"My advice? Hit them where it hurts & vote with your feet. Google's not the top payer anymore, so just leave. " In principle I agree but I feel like level headed folks choosing to leave only makes the echo chamber even worse. And sadly, I don't think Google as a company will suffer much of a downside because they're so big.

I unfortunately have a mortgage and can't live with the stress of the fear of being fired for some esoteric internet community I've joined. I've heard through the grapevines of people starting slack mob witch hunts over people who've used terms like "Fren" because of its very slight relationship with 4chan. I like the security of not working with unchecked witch hunts . I don't want to be Damore'd because of words I…

I've been publishing writing far outside consensus progressive attitudes since the pandemic began with zero issue so far. Don't make your workplace your audience or invite controversy around your workplace and you're very unlikely to have a problem.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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This attempt at "de-offensive-izing" all language has the effect of turning clear, evocative phrases to mush. George Carlin's skit couldn't be more timely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isMm2vF4uFs

It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.

"Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller."

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/450328-don-t-you-see-that-t...

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