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A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on reality TV

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This. The cities are actually safer . The chief difference is that the segment of the media dedicated to keeping people fearful, particularly of their neighbors, is enormous now. It was always the case that media liked stories of conflict, but this was moderated by a sense of propriety and responsibility to the community. Now, certain voices have enormous megaphones and no restraints and the paranoia and anger they a…

Safer than what? Suburbs with nice sidewalks and tree lined streets and friendly neighbors who know each other? Safer than rural areas where everyone knows everyone and there’s enough law enforcement to work on a 1:1 basis? I’m sorry but this just seems like an absolute nonsense claim.

The comment said cities are safer now than they were before, which is true.

> Suburbs with nice sidewalks and tree lined streets and friendly neighbors who know each other? Safer than rural areas where everyone knows everyone and there’s enough law enforcement to work on a 1:1 basis?

No, no real place can possibly be safer than a fantasy land.

Re: A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on reality TV

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It's funny because you'd think this watchfulness + technology like Nextdoor would let kids be more independent, e.g. if anybody tried to snatch your kid they'd be reported by half a dozen busybodies watching through their windows.

This assumes that most users of Nextdoor or have video cameras dotting their house are interested in protecting kids. Nextdoor is a cesspool of racism, and everyone I know who has "security" cameras is afraid of people stealing their stuff. Despite crime in our area being at an all time low and property theft very uncommon.

I suspect more has been spent on anti-theft for houses than total thefts.

Places where theft really IS common don’t put up cameras (they’d get stolen), they put up bars.

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I think it has much less to do with any particular murder, and is actually related to the rise of cable news that needed to find some way to fill an entire day, every day of the week, with national news. There just isn't that much national news, not the sort that keeps people tuning in. So instead they started taking local news stories that had some sensational elements and presenting them as national news stories. S…

I think their point is that Adam Walsh's murder kickstarted the fear mongering on the news you're talking about. It might be the columbine to school shooters. Everything else is derived from it.

I’ve seen three names so far in response to “when it started” and they’re all different.

Re: A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on reality TV

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Absolutely correct. The USA worships the car's speed above the child's freedom.

This reminds me of "The Sacred Rat" short story (fair warning, this site is a bit of an eyesore): http://www.drabruzzi.com/sacred_rac.html

This is hilarious, thank you

Re: A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on reality TV

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When I was a kid, people would leave the engine running on the car with the keys on, while they popped in the convenience store to buy a quick item. We used to leave the doors and windows wide open at home while taking a nap, to "air the house". Different times.

I live in Canada, both of those examples are extremely common today

Ireland:

The first certainly happens rurally, but would be extremely ill advised in the cities

The second is totally normal here too. Even in Dublin. Even in the not particularly great neighbourhood I live in.

Re: A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on reality TV

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I don't have any kids, so I don't really feel comfortable telling folks how to raise theirs. But I will tell you my perspective. As someone who grew up in the "be back home in time for supper" 1970s, today's world seems completely foreign. When I started kindergarten, Mom walked me to school on the first day so that I'd know the route. And after that I walked to school on my own until I learned to ride a bike. I rode…

A major difference between when I grew up and now is the prevalence of the severely mentally ill living on city streets. Would you send your 5 year old self down the streets of San Francisco or Seattle? As a 45 year old I’m frightened often enough - I can’t imagine my daughter being forced to navigate those situations alone. The assault and murder rates due to the untreated mentally ill in the cities I’ve lived in is…

More kids probably live in suburbia than in urban environments, given the extra space in the US. I think the point is moot because even in well-to-do neighborhoods people stop walking to school, even if they can (that is, the route is close enough to be walkable).

Re: A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on reality TV

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I have two young kids and I'm very sympathetic to the philosophy of free range parenting. But jeez, when it comes to actually letting my 6-year old walk to the grocery store alone? It's... really scary... just being honest here. Maybe I can get over that? I don't know.

The key is you work up to it, and allow it when the time is right. The article talks about the kid learning to not run into the street, learning to safely cross the street, going to the store, etc.

Heck, with modern phones and watches it’s even easier to keep track of what’s happening.

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Disappointing that an article like this wouldn’t mention one of the main reasons children are given less autonomy in the US: our built environment. The vast majority of our children grow up in neighborhoods in which one can’t easily be a pedestrian at any age. Low density communities, in which almost all trips have to be taken in cars, are of course not friendly to non-drivers. Japan builds dense, mixed use neighborh…

Low density is not the reason you have to walk a long way to get to a house that it would take you seconds to get to if you climbed a backyard fence. It's just the stupid tree-of-cul-de-sacs layout. Most of Japan isn't dense; it's single-family, detached dwellings. Those neighborhoods are walkable in spite of that. In metropolitan areas like around Tokyo, sure the houses are on small plots and close together; but hou…

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Re: A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on reality TV

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It's sad/funny, there are all these reports about the younger generations having increased anxiety and depression. Social media is the boogie man and I'm sure it's not psychologically good for young people, but we all but ignore the fact that kids and teenagers now have essentially zero autonomy and unsupervised time. Should we really be shocked they feel anxious about being able to solve their own problems when we've never given them the practice time to learn on their own?

The Karens that call CPS are the worst. If the kids aren't in any danger and aren't neglected it's just nobody else's business how they're raised.

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