The tank is dead: Long live the javelin, the switchblade, the ... ?

Post by lakis » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 9:14 PM UTC

throwawayffffas wrote: post #244

a_crc wrote: post #240

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As a counter example, the US has continued to use the BVR AIM-120 even after accidentally shooting down one of their own helicopters in an IFF failure. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM#United_States_o...

In the particular case the missile was used after visual identification [1]. > The two F-15s now initiated a visual identification (VID) pass of the contact. > Wickson's VID pass was conducted at a speed of about 450 knots (520 mph; 830 km/h), 500 feet (150 m) above and 1,000 feet (300 m) to the left of the helicopters. Now I am not saying there is no room for BVR, ofcourse there is. The 2 tracks in formation coming…

Post by lakis » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 9:23 PM UTC

greedo wrote: post #185

throwawayffffas wrote: post #166

The gist of the article which I agree a lot seems to be. Nothing has significantly changed since the 80s-90s, ATGMs have gotten better but they were still a huge problem back then and the solution seems to be the same, better recon, more artillery. Drones don't represent something new but really precision strikes at a discount, capabilities only available to major powers once are now "buy off the shelf". The TB-2 wit…

Not even $2M. Have you seen the footage of the UA/TDF using civilian quadrotor drones to drop anti-tank hand grenades on vehicles? As long as the radio spectrum is open, these type of attacks will be very hard to stop.

  anti-tank hand grenades  are obsolete. 
  The only use is to somehow get them to detonate under the tank and pray it will do something. 
  

Post by TMWNN » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:44 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #95

bobowzki wrote: post #4

Something I've been thinking about is that with the emergence of weapons like the NLAW and Javelin, the Secret Service probably will have to rethink the security of the US president.

I'm not sure the country of three hundred million guns needs advanced weapons. The President might be heavily secured, but as we saw on Jan 6 it's possible to overrun the security of Congress. Then there are all the various state buildings. There are a lot of Americans who talk up the "right" to armed resistance against their government. There are also an alarmingly large number of mass shootings in America. It's alm…

Post by greedo » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 11:20 PM UTC

lakis wrote: post #273

greedo wrote: post #185

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Not even $2M. Have you seen the footage of the UA/TDF using civilian quadrotor drones to drop anti-tank hand grenades on vehicles? As long as the radio spectrum is open, these type of attacks will be very hard to stop.

anti-tank hand grenades are obsolete. The only use is to somehow get them to detonate under the tank and pray it will do something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_grenade At best they are used not against tanks but against light armored vehicles like "Humvees, Strykers and MRAPs " without any armor upgrades

Post by mrtksn » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 6:28 AM UTC

greedo wrote: post #246

nimbius wrote: post #98

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s/drones/air support/ imho the failures observed caused by manpad in the ukrane theatre were directly attributable to an almost comically poor systems integration on the part of the aggressor and an unwillingness to commit longer range artillery and missile strikes to soften what were hardened infantry targets equipped with sixth generation anti-air and anti-tank weaponry.

Explain how the Bayraktar has been very effective targeting SAM systems? SAMs designed to destroy aircraft in this size range, and operating altitude? Systems like TOR/Tunguska/Buk should be easily capable of detecting the Bayraktar and destroying it. It's not like Russia didn't see how it worked in the Armenian/Azerbaijan conflict. They knew Ukraine had Bayraktar, but seemed completely unprepared to deal with it.