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Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by bad_user »

orblivion wrote: post #196
Radim wrote: post #156

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I think (granted to a lesser extent) we gotta hand it to RMS Why "to a lesser extent"? I'm honestly curious because from my outsider's perspective (being affiliated with neither Apple nor FSF), RMS is vastly more admirable than CEO of a for-profit company. The ability to cater to customers and sell them expensive products is precious and certainly good for the shareholders. And, to a lesser degree, even for the custo…

I don't know that people worship him just out of love of his products, but in more of a sort of hero worship. Here's a guy who had an uncompromising vision that nobody appreciated until he was proven right, and changed the world as a result. It's something we all want to see in ourselves.

Are you talking about RMS or about Jobs?

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by Game_Ender »

cookiecaper wrote: post #51

OS X would not be possible without RMS. You have to remember that Stallman was around before Jobs' day -- he was performing real work at MIT when Apple was initially conceptualized. Stallman therefore is apparently less vulnerable to the reality distortion field and does not unduly offer oblations to a guy who was obsessed with shininess at the expense of hacker culture. Jobs went to lengths on many products to preve…

Can you point out the way Jobs try to called troll the non iDevice products?

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by vacri »

davidhollander wrote: post #88
giardini wrote: post #68

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> "Tolerance, love, and generosity. If you don't know religious people who are the epitome of these qualities and find strength to exhibit them from their religion, you are living in a bubble." Certainly there are many people of all cultures and religions who are tolerant, loving and generous. But mostly to those of their own culture/religion. As for living in bubbles, that is _precisely_ the purpose of culture/relig…

> hatred and bigotry outside of religion, it pales compared to what religion has given the world. The 20th century is evidence enough that man is capable of resorting to the worst possible barbarism without invoking deities as justification, plenty of other excuses are readily available. Going by death count, political purges in officially atheist communist nations took the cake... by far . Ethnicity was a distant se…

Going by death count, political purges in officially atheist communist nations

Be careful how you phrase this - these purges were not done in the name of atheism. They do not compare 'death from atheism' to 'death from religion'. It's an important distinction that needs to be made.

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by vacri »

ugh wrote: post #184
keyist wrote: post #40

RMS has the FSF and Defective By Design sites as soapboxes if he wished to gain more attention from Jobs's death. This was a post on his political notes page. He did nothing to publicize it. He didn't post to aggregators or tweet to ask for upvotes (technically it was posted on his Identi.ca account which is linked to his political notes feed, but it got no special treatment). If some major sites hadn't picked up on…

Hey, you seem to be as clueless about communication as he is.

What an excellent way to make your point: with an ad hominem attack!

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by ugh »

vacri wrote: post #274
ugh wrote: post #184

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Hey, you seem to be as clueless about communication as he is.

What an excellent way to make your point: with an ad hominem attack!

I think I’m justified in saying that someone is clueless about communication if that person honestly believes that a statement by a very public spokesperson in any public place – no matter how obscure – will or should remain obscure.

That’s not how communication works. Sorry.

I thought that was sort of implied by my comment, no need to explicitly say it, because it’s so damn obvious. But I’m sorry if you though that my comment was nothing but an attack.

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by vacri »

sabat wrote: post #62
_delirium wrote: post #23

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It was posted on his personal "politics" mini-blog, which consists of basically nothing but 2-3-line annoyed and not very nuanced statements on various topics. People who read it expect what they get there, and most people don't read it. Here's an example the quality of political cartoons you can also expect...: http://stallman.org/images/cartoon-6.jpg As can be seen from the Update to that linked article, I think a…

Stallman has made himself a public figure, and is a spokesman. Even on a "personal" blog, he has a responsibility to be tactful and not to make angry, hurtful, and unnecessary comments.

It is trying to appease this exact demand that has saddled the modern world with spineless, do-nothing politicians, who have a teflon public face which doesn't reflect how they actually govern.

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by 5hoom »

Stallman & Jobs are both giant figures in the tech world to anyone who knows their history. I would also imagine that anyone who has followed Richard Stallman over the years would be surprised if he hadn't made a statement like this.

He is an outspoken & tireless champion of an incredibly worthy cause he believes is greater than himself (and c'mon, the guys hacking skills are legendary).

Steve Jobs was a uniquely amazing entrepreneur & visionary leader. His impact on the way people everywhere use technology is both profound & undeniable.

Both men are worthy of the deepest respect IMHO, even if their goals were in conflict.

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by vacri »

ugh wrote: post #275
vacri wrote: post #274

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What an excellent way to make your point: with an ad hominem attack!

I think I’m justified in saying that someone is clueless about communication if that person honestly believes that a statement by a very public spokesperson in any public place – no matter how obscure – will or should remain obscure. That’s not how communication works. Sorry. I thought that was sort of implied by my comment, no need to explicitly say it, because it’s so damn obvious. But I’m sorry if you though that…

I understood what you meant, I just found it ironic in the extreme that you chose to complain about poor communication by genuinely using poor communication, especially given the context of the thread.

You've been commenting that Stallman should have deported himself better, and yet you break out with a comment like that yourself.

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by nimblegorilla »

nimblegorilla wrote: post #252
keyist wrote: post #40

RMS has the FSF and Defective By Design sites as soapboxes if he wished to gain more attention from Jobs's death. This was a post on his political notes page. He did nothing to publicize it. He didn't post to aggregators or tweet to ask for upvotes (technically it was posted on his Identi.ca account which is linked to his political notes feed, but it got no special treatment). If some major sites hadn't picked up on…

While he might not have asked for the publicity, it would be very easy for Stallman to issue a public apology.

I can't believe there are people who think it was ok for Stallman to call Jobs evil. It was a tasteless attack without merit even in better times.

Re: Time to fork the FSF

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Post by ugh »

vacri wrote: post #278
ugh wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I’m justified in saying that someone is clueless about communication if that person honestly believes that a statement by a very public spokesperson in any public place – no matter how obscure – will or should remain obscure. That’s not how communication works. Sorry. I thought that was sort of implied by my comment, no need to explicitly say it, because it’s so damn obvious. But I’m sorry if you though that…

I understood what you meant, I just found it ironic in the extreme that you chose to complain about poor communication by genuinely using poor communication, especially given the context of the thread. You've been commenting that Stallman should have deported himself better, and yet you break out with a comment like that yourself.

My argument doesn’t require me to lead by example. I’m some random commenter.

And since you understood me perfectly well there doesn’t seem to be a problem in this specific case.

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