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Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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post #149

Imagine if AWS, Azure, Gcloud were charging for your VMs a % of your business revenue… AppStores are services, they should have a fixed price like any other service, and that can cover also variable costs like cents per download, cents per review, etc

Compute likely is a rough function of business revenue though.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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post #247

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If you really wanted that you'd just not use Spotify at all.

That is exactly what I have been doing all along.

which is odd because Rogan made most of his money from Youtube which is also Google, youtube was his biggest promotional tool. So I imagine you don't watch youtube either?

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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post #66
post #45

As a user, why would I choose this? I only see a benefit to developers for this, but from a user prospective going with another system is a downgrade. Assuming google works like Apple (correct me if I am wrong), disabling a subscription should be able to happen from a central location with a click or 2. If I instead go with the billing through a company not only do they now have my credit card information, but I have…

I know that a consumptionist attitude is popular these days, but as a user of something like Spotify I would surely prefer as much as possible of my monetary contribution ending up with Spotify and the musicians instead of in the hands of a company controlling the market place. To the people who think the exorbitant fees are okay: Imagine a world with no cash. Now the payment card companies decide they want 30% of al…

> I would surely prefer as much as possible of my monetary contribution ending up with Spotify and the musicians

If you care about the musicians you should probably be using Tidal and not Spotify.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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post #45

As a user, why would I choose this? I only see a benefit to developers for this, but from a user prospective going with another system is a downgrade. Assuming google works like Apple (correct me if I am wrong), disabling a subscription should be able to happen from a central location with a click or 2. If I instead go with the billing through a company not only do they now have my credit card information, but I have…

When given the choice, I will always subscribe/pay/book directly with the company rather than use a 3rd party. If something goes wrong it's always easier to only need to deal with one company rather than two. Plus I'm choosing to start a relationship with a company that I give money to and thus want them to be able to use all of that money towards making the service and experience the best possible, rather than have them be handicapped by fees coming right off the top.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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Or phrased slightly differently, Spotify takes 30% of revenue generated by selling access to artists' songs.

Seems pretty fair, since if it was easy for an artist to undercut Spotify, they'd be doing it.

Bandcamp takes 10% to 15%, which is still a lot, but definitely closer to "fair" than 30% is.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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post #73
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that a consumptionist attitude is popular these days, but as a user of something like Spotify I would surely prefer as much as possible of my monetary contribution ending up with Spotify and the musicians instead of in the hands of a company controlling the market place. To the people who think the exorbitant fees are okay: Imagine a world with no cash. Now the payment card companies decide they want 30% of al…

> To the people who think the exorbitant fees are okay: Imagine a world with no cash. Now the payment card companies decide they want 30% of all transactions. You think that would be reasonable? Just so that we're talking on equal terms here, card processors and networks solve a massive amount of problems that existed with cash. Pre-card, many stores setup credit accounts with individuals, had book keeping practices…

> But the 30% cut is completely different from card processors. Of the 30% to Google Play or to Apple, a small fraction (2.9%ish) is actually the card overhead. The rest is split between pure profit, infrastructure, and whatever else gets tacked on.

As an example, Apple's profit margin on the App Store was about 80% in 2019[1].

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-01/apple-s-a...

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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Just like the application developers on Google Play, Apple's app store, and Steam, eh?

The difference is the artificial limitation placed on Play Store listings and Apple App Store, versus the freedom of an artist to sell their music to any other platform (it's just that it would be far less successful). The only "pull factor" Spotify has is the userbase, which is arguably fair. For Google, though, the "pull factor" is because you literally cannot sell directly to users through the Play Store. One coul…

> For Google, though, the "pull factor" is because you literally cannot sell directly to users through the Play Store.

Couldn't you replace "Google" and "Play Store" with "Spotify"?

You can "sell" your app directly to users through your own site (see Fortnite) or dubious sites like https://en.uptodown.com/android/general-android but you have the same "pull factor" with the Play Store that you do with Spotify (the user base).

The Google + Play Store and Spotify (company) + Spotify (platforms) situations don't seem fundamentally different to me, just different by degrees. Google's monopoly on Android app distribution is unparalleled.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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post #10

Crazy that this new revolutionary "first of its kind" feature is – letting the user pick between two payment processors.

Everybody says this then outraged users who hate choice appear.

"Apple provides a more streamlined user friendly experience because you don't have to choose. It just works"

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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post #55

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Ok, what if you don’t use paypal. Or if one app uses pay pal, but another wants you to use some other payment solution. You’re still stuck registering to new services and sharing your CC info. So now you also have to remember what service is used by whatever app you are trying to cancel billing for.

You might just as well insist on never linking up your Google account with payment. This might not apply to a random pay to win candycrush clone, but Spotify is enough of an outlier they they likely have quite a few subscribers (or would be subscribers) who never accepted their phone as an app store payment mechanism. I know quite a few people who I'd suspect to be far more willing to hand over they CC data to Spotif…

Sure Spotify can do it and people will pay through whatever system.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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post #272

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That is exactly what I have been doing all along.

which is odd because Rogan made most of his money from Youtube which is also Google, youtube was his biggest promotional tool. So I imagine you don't watch youtube either?

He's still on YouTube btw, so still making money off the YouTube platform and gaining listeners/distribution from there.

Also, there's far worse people than Joe Rogan who make a full living off YouTube, so yeah just completely ideologically inconsistent if someone is going to reject Spotify because of Rogan and still use YouTube.

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