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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by sangnoir »

mindslight wrote: post #262
rchaud wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With him, everything was a calculation. Admitting COVID was a serious issue was thought to bring an end to the stock market boom, which was the big economic win for his re-election campaign. The market crashed anyway, before recovering ahead of the election. In any case, 2020 might be the first time enough voters realized that a bull run on Wall St doesn't move the needle much for their own economic well-being.

I don't see how this narrative makes sense, and seems to be yet another example of "4d chess". The market promptly dropped ~30% in March 2020 in response to Covid, but was then inflated with trillions of dollars of newly printed stimulus money. Which, as an aside, has finally filtered into the consumer economy causing much of the price inflation we've been suffering. Realizing Covid wasn't going to go away and coming…

> But instead, he dug his heels in opposition to how things were developing

Mostly in blue states! back then, red states where doing fine, but Seattle & New York were the first major epicenters. It was a deliberate political calculus to cast Democratic-led regions as inept. Florida "banned" New Yorkers for a bit. Minimizong COVID also made businesses happy, so it appeared to be a 3-fer for Republicans, until it boomeranged.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by 8note »

rchaud wrote: post #253
mindslight wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump never came around to accepting Covid had to be dealt with (doing so would have easily given him a second term), and is just barely starting to condemn Putler. This idea that Trump masterfully chooses his positions based on popular effectiveness is highly overrated.

With him, everything was a calculation. Admitting COVID was a serious issue was thought to bring an end to the stock market boom, which was the big economic win for his re-election campaign. The market crashed anyway, before recovering ahead of the election. In any case, 2020 might be the first time enough voters realized that a bull run on Wall St doesn't move the needle much for their own economic well-being.

> In any case, 2020 might be the first time enough voters realized that a bull run on Wall St doesn't move the needle much for their own economic well-being.

Wall Street was on a bull run leading into 2016 too, and that realization was one of Trump's arguments at the time. Once he won, he dropped that line, but if 2020 was such a time, I'd count 2016 too

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by nextaccountic »

root_axis wrote: post #140
snek_case wrote: post #62

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That's true for now, but eventually, as the technology progresses, it will take very little training data to create deepfakes of anyone unfortunately. Probably just a minute or two of video.

Is this true? I don't see much evidence that the technology is progressing in a direction where models will require less training data, if anything the trend seems to be towards models with higher and higher parameter counts.

This is called few-shot learning (or in the limit case, with a single example, one-shot learning). One way this may be achieved by first training a very general model (maybe with huge data sets), and then fine-tuning it into a specific example (this is called transfer learning). [0]

One reason researchers suspected this must be possible is that human beings, as well as other animals, can learn stuff by watching it for just a few seconds. But we have some prior baggage, because we spent our whole lives learning.. other, vaguely related stuff, and it turns out that knowledge is often transferable.

[0] This isn't the only way, there's also meta learning

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by 8note »

beebmam wrote: post #90
paganel wrote: post #73

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> Zelensky is a nazi, He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, but it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. That thing with a Kyiv boulevard being named after a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator you don't see in the MSM. Th…

Here in the US we have street names and even monuments dedicated to slave owners and people who advocated so strongly for slavery they went to war with their own people. Does that mean the US, today, generally supports the institution of chattel slavery? No, that's absurd. Lots of people want those monuments removed and streets renamed, but that's apparently cancel culture. The only country I know of that has actuall…

Americans don't like the name chattel slavery anymore, but the demand for labourers that don't have rights as people is just a prevalent.

The treatment of "illegal immigrants" is currently better than the chattel slaves of old, but policies like getting rid of birthright citizenship points in a direction of America wanting to being back chattel slaves

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by r00fus »

saalweachter wrote: post #210
InitialLastName wrote: post #186

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That demonizing started way before the 2016 lead-up; until Obama came into the foreground she was also a clear front-runner for the 2008 election, so the machine was targeting her even then. I've noted this before, but being in the public eye for too long tends to be really bad news for presidential hopefuls in the US (Biden being the exception that proves the rule in that he eked out a win against a wildly unpopular…

She's the woman an entire generation of men was raised to hate, starting with Bill Clinton's first presidential run and Rush Limbaugh.

I remember seeing her in a magazine cover in the early 90s with BSDM getup and Bill as the gimp. I was pretty young at the time - but even then I knew I was being told "this is the person to hate/fear".

I'm not a fan of HRC but the demonization was in full gear 30 years ago.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Jerrrry »

avodonosov wrote: post #266
Jerrrry wrote: post #81

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GAN networks make this a flawed endeavor. you can train a network to detect it, then a network to convince it, ad nauseum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network

I was hoping some inevitable property of deep fakes, that could help detecting them.

any such property will eventually be selected against by the discriminator.

https://developers.google.com/machine-learning/gan/discrimin...

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by mindslight »

sangnoir wrote: post #271
mindslight wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how this narrative makes sense, and seems to be yet another example of "4d chess". The market promptly dropped ~30% in March 2020 in response to Covid, but was then inflated with trillions of dollars of newly printed stimulus money. Which, as an aside, has finally filtered into the consumer economy causing much of the price inflation we've been suffering. Realizing Covid wasn't going to go away and coming…

> But instead, he dug his heels in opposition to how things were developing Mostly in blue states! back then, red states where doing fine, but Seattle & New York were the first major epicenters. It was a deliberate political calculus to cast Democratic-led regions as inept. Florida "banned" New Yorkers for a bit. Minimizong COVID also made businesses happy, so it appeared to be a 3-fer for Republicans, until it boome…

Still, acknowledging Covid as a real problem would have let him drive the density difference even more. It's harder to blame democratic leaders as inept if you are downplaying the seriousness of the underlying problem. Also by June 2020 it was quite apparent that the problem was not going to be isolated to nursing homes etc, even if the absolute numbers weren't bad everywhere.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by oliwarner »

> the quality of the video is mediocre

That's generous. This video and it's audio are so bad, I wonder if this is a PSA, to remind people that this stuff exists, that the next one you see might also be fake.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by wrycoder »

hnarn wrote: post #150
gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

I'm Swedish and I've always loved this phrase. It's short and concise, and it stirs something inside you even if you're mostly devoid of nationalistic tendencies. The continuation of the phrase mentioned later in the same pamphlet is also nice: SV: Motstånd skall göras ständigt och i alla lägen. EN: Resistance shall be made constantly and in all situations. It also mentions the classic "En svensk tiger" (lit. "A Swed…

Good mottoes to adopt for FLOSS.
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