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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by landemva »

hiram112 wrote: post #240
lalaland1125 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence that the biolabs in Ukraine were performing research that was oriented towards being usable as a weapon? Like what exactly is the claim here about that those labs were doing? Or do you just think any biolab should automatically be assumed to be working on bioweapons? (And that we should ban all biolabs worldwide I guess?)

The line coming out of the US gov't no longer even makes sense, IMO. They've claimed, like you, that the labs were just general biolabs you'd find at any university, and anything related to WMD is just Russian "disinformation." But they've also claimed that these labs were old Soviet-era weapons research labs the DOD was helping to close down. So which is it? If they're closing down old weapons labs, why'd it take 17…

' explain to us taxpayers why they continue building up infrastructure and subsidizing research and jobs in foreign countries with money borrowed from China and / or printed up '

This is a good example of why government spending should be constrained. Fiat currency allows crazy spending and financing endless war. In the medium and long term this harms everyone. In the short term, bio-researchers get grants and toys to play with, and war profiteers get to make more munitions.

It takes 17 years to shut down Frankenstein labs because it costs government nothing to print funds.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #259
lucianbr wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect that if Russia poisoned Zuckerberg there would be a lot more backlash from the West than in the cases you linked. Maybe even outright war. Otherwise, it would mean the entire world should permanently live in fear of Putin, and that sounds worse even than nuclear winter.

Very unlikely that poisoning Zuckerberg would lead to war. A warrant for the arrest of the person who poisoned him, certainly, but not war.

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by azinman2 »

gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

The world isn’t black and white. While I don’t really support this specific Meta policy, it would be myoptic to think you could create a set of rules that will last forever. That’s why the US laws didn’t end with the constitution, the constitution itself can be amended, and we have judges who interpret individual laws for individual cases.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by beaconstudios »

monklu wrote: post #82
gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

You've clearly constructed an argument for a belief I've held for a while about these deontological ethical positions but never quite had the words to express, so thank you for that. Following the rules consistently is not more important than doing the right thing.

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Post by ironcurtain »

Interesting development. As I’m heading to the local 5 minute hate meeting, I want to get current in “Who,Whom” hierarchy. Can anyone help me figure it out? Is it only applying to Russians these days or there are other exceptions? Can all Arabs post “Death to Israel” or only those within 100 miles of Israel borders? Is reverse allowed? Can Yemeni call for death of Saudi Royals or is it still frowned upon? The new rules also allowed praise of Nazi-lite Azov battalions “in the context of defense of Ukraine”. Does it mean that going forward Vaffen-SS can be praised “in context of defense” of 3rd Reich from British and US troops in 1945? So confused.

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Post by qiskit »

azinman2 wrote: post #273
gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

The world isn’t black and white. While I don’t really support this specific Meta policy, it would be myoptic to think you could create a set of rules that will last forever. That’s why the US laws didn’t end with the constitution, the constitution itself can be amended, and we have judges who interpret individual laws for individual cases.

> it would be myoptic to think you could create a set of rules that will last forever.

It's not a matter of rules lasting forever. It's applying the rules evenly and fairly. All the ukraine war has done is expose the hypocrisy of the west and especially the virtue signaling tech/social media platforms.

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Post by qiskit »

mancerayder wrote: post #71
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it fascinating that people believe that there was ever an unbiased, objective news media. This literally has never been the case in the total history of the industry. Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it.

They used to try. Surely you can conceptualize a spectrum whereby on one the one side, people try very hard to be objective and be good at it, then where maybe they try a little less hard, or lack knowledge, or whatnot, and then continuing on the spectrum, where people throw up their hands and proclaim that no one can be objective, so who cares anyway. I cannot accept the framing as only the last one: that we've magi…

> They used to try.

Simply not true. Read about the news industry from the founders to yellow journalism to the world wars to present day. There was never a time when news was objective. It wasn't created to be.

> I cannot accept the framing as only the last one: that we've magically discovered being unbiased is no longer a worthwhile goal

It was never an achievable goal. So what we should strive for is a diversity of opinions via a genuine set of diverse news organizations. Sadly, most of the media is owned by a few multinationals who themselves are owned by the same controlling interests.

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Post by dragonwriter »

mancerayder wrote: post #71
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it fascinating that people believe that there was ever an unbiased, objective news media. This literally has never been the case in the total history of the industry. Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it.

They used to try. Surely you can conceptualize a spectrum whereby on one the one side, people try very hard to be objective and be good at it, then where maybe they try a little less hard, or lack knowledge, or whatnot, and then continuing on the spectrum, where people throw up their hands and proclaim that no one can be objective, so who cares anyway. I cannot accept the framing as only the last one: that we've magi…

> They used to try.

No, they didn't, much more than they do now.

But the ideological bias among the major media was more consistent, and when you get the same bias everywhere you look, it seems a lot like objectivity.

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Post by qiskit »

lucianbr wrote: post #241
bhuber wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who get on Putin's bad side have a history of ending up with things like polonium and nerve agents inside their bodies, even when living in western countries. Bombing facebook would likely be further than even Russia is willing to go, but I wouldn't put it past them to poison their head of PR or something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvine... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skri…

I expect that if Russia poisoned Zuckerberg there would be a lot more backlash from the West than in the cases you linked. Maybe even outright war. Otherwise, it would mean the entire world should permanently live in fear of Putin, and that sounds worse even than nuclear winter.

> I expect that if Russia poisoned Zuckerberg there would be a lot more backlash from the West than in the cases you linked. Maybe even outright war.

Nobody is going to war over zuckerburg or any of the tech ceos. Lets get real here.

> Otherwise, it would mean the entire world should permanently live in fear of Putin

Not the world. Just a few western countries. I don't think zambia or bolivia or india or china or much of the world is going to care one bit.

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Post by qiskit »

Daniel_sk wrote: post #98
aiProgMach wrote: post #81

I "admire" how the western world now is all in in the war against Russia, from tech companies to media to the random person on the Internet and between. You can't find many different opinions on the matter, all the focus against the "crazy Putin" and Russia. I wish our "Elites" learned from their western masters how to take a firm stand for your people war and how those masters will throw the "liberal values" in the…

Go and ask some countries that were invaded by Russia in the 20th century. They came to help us in the same special operation to Slovakia since 1968 and they finally left in 1989.

At least they left. We are still occupying germany, korea, japan, etc. Even worse, we are looking to expand into poland, lithuania, etc.
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