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Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by Lascaille »

colesantiago wrote: post #195
323 wrote: post #131

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> Payments companies Wise, Remitly suspend money transfer businesses in Russia https://www.reuters.com/technology/payments-company-wise-sus...

Western Union and Moneygram exists in Russia no? You do realise that Transferwise isn’t the only money transfer service, there only given as an example. The fact that the article states that there was a limit shows this ‘ban’ is only a temporary measure by Wise. As I said you can still use other regulated alternatives.

>Western Union and Moneygram exists in Russia no?

What aspect of 'sanctions' do you not understand?

Edit: Oh, I read your other contributions in this thread and see you're just trolling. My mistake.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by tsol »

323 wrote: post #128
theshrike79 wrote: post #61

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This is only possible because Russia is the first clear and acceptable Bad Guy since WW2 Germany. There are very few gray areas about what they are doing in Ukraine, so everyone is firing with everything they've got. Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction someone called them.

Yes, in a few days Putin created a cartoonish evil villain image for himself like in B-category movies: invading a country, threatening the world with nuclear war, shooting at nuclear power plants, threatening prison for anyone of his subjects who dares criticize his actions.

There are dictators doing crazy things all around the world, you just hear about this one more.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by tsol »

dismantlethesun wrote: post #240
marrone12 wrote: post #203

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Russian citizens did not cause this war...

But they are holding the guns and working in the factories that build the bullets…

The army has bullets stockpiled. If Russians refuses to run any factories starting today the war would still be on. It's not hard to find arms if you have money-- which Putin has

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by colesantiago »

notch656a wrote: post #266
colesantiago wrote: post #265

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Are you very sure it was a business decision for Kraken to delist Monero in the UK? Either way the so called privacy coins are not regulated and will soon be delisted from lots of exchanges, there is no use for them if the exchanges are removing Monero and coins like them. > I have used monero for effectively anonymous online donations to legitimate non-profit institutions. Just tick ‘give anonymously’. It’s faster a…

>Just tick ‘give anonymously’. Isn't there still some way to trace the transaction this way? Usually through your bank, credit card provider, or something of that sort. With Monero there is basically no chance of anyone finding out I made the donation. I'm not interested in anyone knowing, including my bank. I like my privacy. If there's some non crypto way to truly make an anonymous online transaction, I may be inte…

It all begins with a card and an exchange, it’s irrelevant who you send it to. The exchange already knows.

The ramps that allow these purchases to happen will be closed once tight regulation comes in and tanks the prices rendering the tokens useless.

> I'm not interested in anyone knowing, including my bank. I like my privacy.

What is the point when you need to buy the crypto tokens using a card? Even then I am sure Kraken and other exchanges have a log of what coins your purchased and they already know you through KYC anyway.

So it seems that privacy coins were a sly facade to get you give up information (card, kyc exchange, etc)

And when this happens, how do Monero users cash out? By meeting in a dark alley trading worthless coins?

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by ilyich »

lostmsu wrote: post #254
daxuak wrote: post #222

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Disclaimer I'm not Russian but watching the roll out of the war, I am again fascinated by westerner's imagination of that an inidividual could achieve in a oppressive regime. People literally get arrested by holding a blank paper as a one-man demonstration on the street. People lose source of income and housing semi-permanently because of speaking out anything against the propaganda. The secret police can force mothe…

That's an instance of the prisoner's dilemma though. They can't really arrest every single person who is against the war. They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.

>They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.

Why can't they? In free and democratic USA 5% of the population is incarcerated.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by ceejayoz »

tsol wrote: post #269
ceejayoz wrote: post #186

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The Chinese aren't dumb enough to pretend their economy wouldn't collapse if they got the sort of embargo Russia's seeing. Their #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, and #7 top trading partners are all US or US allies.

The United States would also face huge shortages and other problems if they couldn't trade with China. China also realizes that too-- it's a two way street. Globalization makes everyone vulnerable

Yes. It’s MAD, without the “everyone is on fire in 15 minutes” aspect. I’m inclined to see that as good.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by tsol »

daxuak wrote: post #222
addandsubtract wrote: post #191

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No control over? Not with that attitude, I guess.

Disclaimer I'm not Russian but watching the roll out of the war, I am again fascinated by westerner's imagination of that an inidividual could achieve in a oppressive regime. People literally get arrested by holding a blank paper as a one-man demonstration on the street. People lose source of income and housing semi-permanently because of speaking out anything against the propaganda. The secret police can force mothe…

It's especially funny because when pressed on war crimes committed by their governments with their tax dollars, they will day "well listen it's not my fault our army did that, I'm not in charge! There's nothing I can do to stop our (democratically elected) leaders". But then they'll turn around and insist people in a dictatorship should be able to oust their dictator. I'm totally against Russia, but it's insane to me how people can think this way. It borders on cruel to have such unrealistic demands from people who aren't responsible

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by mikob »

smeej wrote: post #236

Punishing civilians for the actions of their dictator is a despicable form of victim-blaming. Russia isn't a democracy. Ordinary people can't oust Putin because the rest of the world makes their lives difficult. This doesn't fix the problem. Punishing his existing subjects because he's invading another country to acquire more subjects is despicable.

The subjects are the ones in the best position to get rid of Putin. And in a way the subjects are responsible for their leader. Many are fine with the status quo and sitting comfortably at home while Ukrainians are in refugee camps.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by tsol »

lostmsu wrote: post #254
daxuak wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer I'm not Russian but watching the roll out of the war, I am again fascinated by westerner's imagination of that an inidividual could achieve in a oppressive regime. People literally get arrested by holding a blank paper as a one-man demonstration on the street. People lose source of income and housing semi-permanently because of speaking out anything against the propaganda. The secret police can force mothe…

That's an instance of the prisoner's dilemma though. They can't really arrest every single person who is against the war. They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.

This is always true, and yet dictators have existed since the dawn of humanity. I don't know why people expect Russians to function like a hivemind, rather than humans that disagree and have instincts for self preservation

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by lostmsu »

kenosis wrote: post #268
lostmsu wrote: post #254

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That's an instance of the prisoner's dilemma though. They can't really arrest every single person who is against the war. They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.

Let's say 2 million people are on the streets protesting. What's next?

That's easy - block highways, train tracks, etc. Anything that is used to wage the war.
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