Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

Post by dev_by_day » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 4:01 AM UTC

duxup wrote: post #270

dev_by_day wrote: post #269

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What I believe to be true is not my point, its that the story was credible enough to be discussed and should not have been censored. I would feel the same if these accusations had been levied at one of trumps family members as well. The guardian goes more in depth on what aspects of hunter bidens business dealings are worth looking into(they discuss the laptop here as well): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/f…

All you’ve said is the laptop was his. That’s not a story at all, and not the reason the story was rotten. This reads like you’re not being very honest about the actual story that was being sold to news organizations.

Post by ilyagr » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 4:07 AM UTC

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Two out of the last three remaining somewhat independent media that were still operating in the country (already under major restrictions) were also shut down, TV rain just did their last transmission and walked out of the studio crying: https://youtu.be/e4an0MlF27k?t=11397 Twitter and facebook are being blocked. Youtube and group chats in telegram/signal/etc are the only things left right now. 7670 people have been…

Post by smegger001 » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 4:36 AM UTC

ashwagary wrote: post #246

shagmin wrote: post #167

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Chelsea Manning may be a better comparison since the US actually sentenced her, but even then that was about a leak with classified information rather than just punishing the press for being critical of the government. And she was arrested and served time (7 years?) and then got out, while coming out as transgendered (imagine going through that in Russian prison). It's not ideal, but it could be taken as an example o…

Whistleblowers are not safe anymore, government abuse is being protected.

Post by kbelder » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 5:49 AM UTC

squarefoot wrote: post #193

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"We're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they're paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia. "So we're supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate" Trump 2018 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nat…

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. (sarcastic) So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern…

Post by MemesAndBooze » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 5:56 AM UTC

csee wrote: post #141

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Or for a more concrete example, look at how both Republicans and Democrats are treating Julian Assange. Investigative journalism and whistleblowing are under attack by all political factions and by the justice system, today. We cannot treat anti-free-press authoritarianism in the West as an "early stage" or tomorrow's problem.

There's no equivalence here. Russia has assassinated about 50 journalists under Putin and imprisoned/beaten many more. They have a very tight stranglehold on press freedom. But yes, we need to take it extremely seriously in the West and fight against any and all encroachments so that we don't slide further towards authoritarianism. Recent trends have been concerning.