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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by throwamon »

pxx wrote: post #177
neighborlynook wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am convinced Power Users are not the target market for Windows 11 (or maybe even windows). I mistakenly updated to it and have regretted it. Did you know they turned off animations when using Virtual Desktops [1]? A power-user feature on all the other OS' that took Microsoft till 2019 to adopt was crippled in little over 2 years after release. [1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/report-an-issue/windo...

Color me confused. Why would I ever want animations when I change virtual desktops? I know what keys I pressed. I pressed them for a reason. The animation just gets in the way. In general, animations don't seem like a "power user" feature at all. Animations hint at new users ("hey, where did that window go when I minimized it") but aren't useful once you understand the abstraction.

Maybe I just have exceptional cognitive and motor skills issues, but even though I spend pretty much all my time in front of a screen and consider myself to be a power user, I press wrong keys by mistake very often, and I do appreciate (fast) animations for feedback. There definitely should be at the very least a toggle though.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by nathanaldensr »

kgwxd wrote: post #102

This past summer I bought a copy of Windows 10 Pro when I built a new PC. Prior to that, I used Linux on my personal machines for 10 years. Though I knew I'd eventually regret it, I didn't think it'd be so soon. I've been very content with it, and then these idiots go and do this. It's a complete show stopper. I still have to use Windows and other MS stuff for work, but I have work-supplied machines for that. For per…

As a Microsoft-focused developer since 1999, I feel so badly for the developer division. They make quality tools and have extremely smart people working for them--people that do care about open source and philanthropy. To be part of the same company that makes Windows is sad. The profit-seeking areas of Microsoft give the rest of the company a bad name.

I will likely get rid of all Windows installations in my house (about six at last count) and replace them with Ubuntu or some other Linux distribution as soon as Windows 10 goes out of support. If I'm still writing code at that time, and assuming the developer division at Microsoft are not corrupted, I'll switch to Rider to be rid of the commercial Visual Studio and Windows dependencies.

No way in hell am I logging in to my operating system with a cloud account.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by oblio »

jksmith wrote: post #266
Koshkin wrote: post #214

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Soon enough you will be better off running ReactOS as your daily driver.

I'd love to, and support the project with my bucks, but that seems a bit optimistic in the short term. Getting more and more work done with linux in the meantime. With these efforts, at least my craving for sovereignty is mostly satisfied. With windows I feel like a crofter living on someone else's land.

> seems a bit optimistic in the short term

ReactOS was started in 1998, 24 years ago.

Just saying :-)

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by brundolf »

nightski wrote: post #257
polotics wrote: post #136

Never again windows with Microsoft accounts. I have two windows 10 licenses, one home and one pro. I made the mistake of associating the licenses to my Microsoft account and now there is no way to move the pro license from the old PC to the new one. The Microsoft support site is a complete joke of unpaid chatterers that send you on wild goose chase, the web is full of SEO bullshit site that keyword-dance around the i…

This is not true at all, you can transfer the license. Unless it was an OEM license and is tied to the hardware. It has nothing to do with your MS account. I've done this many times when upgrading hardware for myself and my family using different combinations of Home/Pro licenses.

I actually added mine to my Microsoft account specifically because it made it easier/safer to move the license to a new installation (new hard drive, in my case). You just do a base installation with physical media, sign in, and you’re good to go.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by smoldesu »

flatiron wrote: post #171
Kye wrote: post #161

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Linux really doesn't have good alternatives for most of the tools I use, and none of it runs in Wine and similar, so I hope not.

It’s hard to beat windows native office. MacOS version stinks and the web version is pretty slow on complicated stuff. That’s why I use windows on my work PC ans WSL for the dev stuff.

It's not everyone's favorite answer, but LibreOffice works fine for me. I've set a number of documents with it (including my own resume) and it works perfectly fine. It's not the most intuitive program ever made, but it's nothing if not comprehensive.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by [deleted] »

woodruffw wrote: post #144
randomhodler84 wrote: post #2

Literally a trap to hand over your encryption keys. Never sign into an operating system with a cloud identity. You should have stopped using windows years ago. There is no excuse, especially thanks to Valve for their work enhancing wine ecosystem and making your games work.

> Literally a trap to hand over your encryption keys. Never sign into an operating system with a cloud identity. Why does your trust model include "running a proprietary OS that can do anything at any time" but not "the OS explicitly requires a user account tied to an online account?" That doesn't make any sense. To be clear: there are plenty of great reasons to dislike this change. But they all fall under "user-host…

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by marcosdumay »

pxx wrote: post #177
neighborlynook wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am convinced Power Users are not the target market for Windows 11 (or maybe even windows). I mistakenly updated to it and have regretted it. Did you know they turned off animations when using Virtual Desktops [1]? A power-user feature on all the other OS' that took Microsoft till 2019 to adopt was crippled in little over 2 years after release. [1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/report-an-issue/windo...

Color me confused. Why would I ever want animations when I change virtual desktops? I know what keys I pressed. I pressed them for a reason. The animation just gets in the way. In general, animations don't seem like a "power user" feature at all. Animations hint at new users ("hey, where did that window go when I minimized it") but aren't useful once you understand the abstraction.

Hum... Do I have an absolute shortcut to go to virtual desktop X, or only a relative one to go to the previous or next one?

On the first case animations aren't important, but on the second they are essential.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by smoldesu »

labster wrote: post #159
giobox wrote: post #74

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> There is no excuse, especially thanks to Valve for their work enhancing wine ecosystem and making your games work. While Proton is great, it helps no one to suggest it's a solution to making all games work. There are absolutely enormous multiplayer titles still unavailable on Proton, if you can't play the games your friends play who cares if 99% of the rest of the Steam library works? Again, I think Proton is great…

And yet I know gamers who have fully switched to Proton. I’m too lazy, and have a windows box reserved for games; it would be PII-free if it weren’t for the darn Microsoft account. But for some, Proton is already a better Windows.

It's not a feature-complete solution, but a good 90% of the games you own will "just work" without any additional tinkering required. Some games (like Overwatch) are just straight-up smoother running through Wine/DXVK: https://youtu.be/voXc1nCD4IA
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