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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by sangnoir »

gruez wrote: post #208
rpadovani wrote: post #140

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Except they cannot. If you have an EU point of sale, you cannot deny service to any EU citizen based on nationality. So, they can stop _selling_ in the Netherlands, but given how close is any Dutch to another EU state, I don't see it as a problem for purchasing a phone. Apple will sustain that, given the phone wasn't bought in the Netherlands, they are not subject to their laws. Good luck with that.

>> Apple could completely pull out of the Netherlands and wouldn’t even feel the affect. >Except they cannot[...] >[...] they can stop _selling_ in the Netherlands I don't get it. Aren't you agreeing with the parent poster?

Apple cannot "pull out" of the Netherlands by just not selling in the country. Dutch people can order phones from Belgium or elsewhere in the EU, and Apple will still be legally on the hook.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by dariosalvi78 »

scarface74 wrote: post #240
smoldesu wrote: post #232

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> And 60% of the US population fall for this marketing? Sure. They spend more money on it than any other company does. > Google makes 80% of their revenue from ad sales and they can’t convince more than 40% of people to buy their supposedly superior OS? First off, this is a false dichotomy. The 80% you're referencing is not what they spend on actual marketing of any of their products. Secondly, I don't believe I ever…

You really believe that the “rest of the industry” would not like to do everything they can to make more money? You think the rest of the industry are saints that believe in being “open”? And Apple didn’t start off with some magical majority share. When the iPhone was introduced, there were already 1 billion phones being sold every year. SJ said specifically he would be happy if he sold 10 million to capture 1% of th…

Yes and Windows was a fantastic product and Microsoft the best company in the world because 90% of Americans "chose" Windows in the 90s.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

Isinlor wrote: post #119
scarface74 wrote: post #93

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Will these laws also apply to game consoles? Set top boxes?

The current law draft deems you a gatekeeper if you have: - annual EEA turnover equal to or above EUR 6.5 billion in the last three financial years - market value of at least EUR 65 billion in the last financial year and it provides a core platform service in at least three Member States So, I believe it will apply to many game consoles. More in detail: Article 2, Definitions ‘Core platform service’ means any of the…

And watch European citizens complain that now their game consoles are more expensive because the console makers won’t sell them at a loss since they can’t be subsidized by fees.

Or since there is already a shortage, the console makers prioritize the US.

Then Apple will have a much higher fee to use their developer tools.

Also in the case of Google, you can’t use Google Services outside of the Google Play store. The only company that has had the resources to duplicate many of those services is Amazon.

In iOS users case, you won’t be able to use iCloud backup, the same notifications controls, access to global settings, probably no access to KeyChain or any other API that requires server side integration.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

dariosalvi78 wrote: post #272
scarface74 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really believe that the “rest of the industry” would not like to do everything they can to make more money? You think the rest of the industry are saints that believe in being “open”? And Apple didn’t start off with some magical majority share. When the iPhone was introduced, there were already 1 billion phones being sold every year. SJ said specifically he would be happy if he sold 10 million to capture 1% of th…

Yes and Windows was a fantastic product and Microsoft the best company in the world because 90% of Americans "chose" Windows in the 90s.

Yes, people chose Windows because after seeing the other choices, Windows met their needs the best. What were they going to choose? Linux? An overpriced under powered Mac? I chose a Mac until 95. But Macs really did suck before OS X came out.

But going back to the point. When the iPhone was introduced, there was Palm, Windows Mobile, and Blackberry. Did someone make users choose iPhones?

Android was available on every major carrier when Apple started expanding beyond AT&T, once iPhones were available, Android phone sales dropped. What unfair advantage did Apple have over large companies like MS, Google, Motorola and Samsung?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by freetime2 »

coder543 wrote: post #260
freetime2 wrote: post #197

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I also learned recently that if you cancel a trial Prime membership early, the benefits end immediately instead of ending at the end of the trial period. I generally like to cancel trial memberships immediately after signing up to ensure that I don’t forget about it and accidentally get charged for something I don’t want. If I end up liking the service then I’ll happily enter my payment info again at the end of the t…

> I generally like to cancel trial memberships immediately after signing up to ensure that I don’t forget about it and accidentally get charged for something I don’t want. [...] Most online services (including all App Store subscriptions) are fine with this approach. Except for Apple's own services , which includes Apple Music, Apple TV+, Apple Arcade, and Apple Fitness+. All of these will instantly terminate your tr…

Ah yes I had forgotten that Apple does the same thing with their own services. To make matters worse, they used to annoy me to no end with full-screen popups for Apple Music trials when I was just trying to listen to my local music library. And if you're not careful and choose the option to merge your local library with your apple music library, you can accidentally end up losing all of your local music. Very annoying.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

sangnoir wrote: post #271
gruez wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Apple could completely pull out of the Netherlands and wouldn’t even feel the affect. >Except they cannot[...] >[...] they can stop _selling_ in the Netherlands I don't get it. Aren't you agreeing with the parent poster?

Apple cannot "pull out" of the Netherlands by just not selling in the country. Dutch people can order phones from Belgium or elsewhere in the EU, and Apple will still be legally on the hook.

How is Apple legally on the hook for a product that they don’t sell in a given country?

How are the Dutch going to come after Apple if they don’t have a presence in the country?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by sangnoir »

scarface74 wrote: post #276
sangnoir wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple cannot "pull out" of the Netherlands by just not selling in the country. Dutch people can order phones from Belgium or elsewhere in the EU, and Apple will still be legally on the hook.

How is Apple legally on the hook for a product that they don’t sell in a given country? How are the Dutch going to come after Apple if they don’t have a presence in the country?

The same way Attorneys General from midwestern states can sue coastal tech firms with no offices there: jurisdiction over where the users being harmed are.

> How are the Dutch going to come after Apple if they don’t have a presence in the country?

The EU is a single market, for good or for ill.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by gruez »

sangnoir wrote: post #271
gruez wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Apple could completely pull out of the Netherlands and wouldn’t even feel the affect. >Except they cannot[...] >[...] they can stop _selling_ in the Netherlands I don't get it. Aren't you agreeing with the parent poster?

Apple cannot "pull out" of the Netherlands by just not selling in the country. Dutch people can order phones from Belgium or elsewhere in the EU, and Apple will still be legally on the hook.

>Dutch people can order phones from Belgium or elsewhere in the EU, and Apple will still be legally on the hook.

Okay, so they'll have iPhones brick themselves (or disable all third party purchases) if location services detect they're within the netherlands.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

sangnoir wrote: post #277
scarface74 wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Apple legally on the hook for a product that they don’t sell in a given country? How are the Dutch going to come after Apple if they don’t have a presence in the country?

The same way Attorneys General from midwestern states can sue coastal tech firms with no offices there: jurisdiction over where the users being harmed are. > How are the Dutch going to come after Apple if they don’t have a presence in the country? The EU is a single market, for good or for ill.

Apple actively sells devices in every state. It accepts credit card users from every state.

If I only sold a physical product in GA and someone from Texas bought it and took it home. They could only sue me in GA under GA laws.

The US is also a “single market”. But each state has its own laws.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

raydev wrote: post #258
scarface74 wrote: post #103

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The Netherlands population is a little more than half of Texas’s population. Apple could completely pull out of the Netherlands and wouldn’t even feel the affect.

NL would then take their concerns to the EU at large, and they have more levers they can pull at that level. This is the first step to "completely pull out of EU member countries or comply".

Because the EU really has a great history of tech laws…
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