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_-david-_ wrote: post #267
pvg wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theo...

Joe Biden literally said he wants immigration to replace whites and it is a good thing that the percentage of whites is shrinking. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4872045/user-clip-joe-biden-a...

It's a racist conspiracy theory and a common bad faith white nationalist talking point. It doesn't matter who says it, you should not bring it up as messageboard scorekeeping.

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Post by _-david-_ »

pvg wrote: post #271
_-david-_ wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Biden literally said he wants immigration to replace whites and it is a good thing that the percentage of whites is shrinking. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4872045/user-clip-joe-biden-a...

It's a racist conspiracy theory and a common bad faith white nationalist talking point. It doesn't matter who says it, you should not bring it up as messageboard scorekeeping.

I'm sorry, but when the politicians are literally saying they want to do X then it is not a conspiracy theory to say people are trying to do X.

We aren't talking about a random person, but one of the most powerful in the world.

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Post by bastardoperator »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #238
colpabar wrote: post #110

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What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?

My understanding is that they were very clearly comparing the Canadian government to Nazis, not expressing support for Nazis , but at this point I'd have to see photos to be sure. My own image searches only turn up upside-down Canadian flags, "Fuck Trudeau" slogans, and stuff about "freedom". I'd have to think that if somebody really wanted to undermine them and had such a photo, they'd have posted it. How bad is the…

Wearing a mask and mass genocide are not the same thing, they're not even in the same ballpark. If anything it weakens their entire argument. If you have any understanding of the holocaust you can in no way shape or form compare it to taking precautions during a global pandemic with a mask in public. All I see is a bunch on people that so badly want to be viewed as victims. I don't like wearing a mask either, but if me wearing a mask reduces the spread of a virus that has literally killed millions, I'll wear it, it doesn't hurt me, I'm not going to cry about it or use nazi symbolism to make a case.

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

tonfreed wrote: post #74

Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.

the elites were ok with blue haired vegans with neopronouns setting cities ablaze and setting up autonomous zones.

They're not OK with trucks going honk honk to the point of entertaining the idea of military intervention.

The hypocrisy and contradictions is expected at this point but never ceases to amaze me.

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

adamrezich wrote: post #248
9935c101ab17a66 wrote: post #245

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Yikes. In what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement, and it’s stated goal seems to be to force Trudeau to over rule provincial — not federal — mask mandates. All because this disorganized, disruptive and aimless rabble believe wearing a piece of cloth on your face is the deeply offensive and tyrannical. Has anyone actually been squeezed off online platforms for sayi…

> In what world is this a working class uprising? how would you describe it?

It's only working class when the DC chattering class approves of the poors actions.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by pvg »

_-david-_ wrote: post #272
pvg wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a racist conspiracy theory and a common bad faith white nationalist talking point. It doesn't matter who says it, you should not bring it up as messageboard scorekeeping.

I'm sorry, but when the politicians are literally saying they want to do X then it is not a conspiracy theory to say people are trying to do X. We aren't talking about a random person, but one of the most powerful in the world.

The charitable interpretation of bringing this up and making it part of your public internet footprint is 'in a heated discussion about strongly held political beliefs, you inadvertently referenced a white nationalist talking point'.

The uncharitable one is 'you're a nazi'.

That's the only thing I'm trying to convey to you.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by _-david-_ »

pvg wrote: post #276
_-david-_ wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but when the politicians are literally saying they want to do X then it is not a conspiracy theory to say people are trying to do X. We aren't talking about a random person, but one of the most powerful in the world.

The charitable interpretation of bringing this up and making it part of your public internet footprint is 'in a heated discussion about strongly held political beliefs, you inadvertently referenced a white nationalist talking point'. The uncharitable one is 'you're a nazi'. That's the only thing I'm trying to convey to you.

The charitable interpretation of your post and making it part of your public internet footprint is 'in a heated discussion about strongly held political beliefs, you inadvertently said something is a conspiracy theory when it is not.

The uncharitable one is 'you support white replacement'.

That's the only thing I'm trying to convey to you.

Hitler was a vegetarian. Hitler was a Nazi. Does that mean vegetarians are Nazis? I don't think so. Just because some Nazis point something out doesn't mean that everyone who points it out is a Nazi.

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Post by GauntletWizard »

bastardoperator wrote: post #273
FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that they were very clearly comparing the Canadian government to Nazis, not expressing support for Nazis , but at this point I'd have to see photos to be sure. My own image searches only turn up upside-down Canadian flags, "Fuck Trudeau" slogans, and stuff about "freedom". I'd have to think that if somebody really wanted to undermine them and had such a photo, they'd have posted it. How bad is the…

Wearing a mask and mass genocide are not the same thing, they're not even in the same ballpark. If anything it weakens their entire argument. If you have any understanding of the holocaust you can in no way shape or form compare it to taking precautions during a global pandemic with a mask in public. All I see is a bunch on people that so badly want to be viewed as victims. I don't like wearing a mask either, but if…

Wearing and mass genocide are not the same thing, but wearing a Star of David is. That's how it started, and we know how it ends.

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Post by GauntletWizard »

marak830 wrote: post #255
SuoDuanDao wrote: post #254

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But Naziism isn't a particular flag or moustache that everyone feels reflexive intellectual disgust towards. It's a seductive ideology harnessing the reflexive disgust of large groups of people. It's not defeated by punching or shooting 'the bad people' but by moral humility and careful consideration of second-order effects at the ballot box. No moral self-examination, disgust of the outgroup, arguing against private…

If they wave a Nazi flag, they are a Nazi. If you don't immediately kick them out, guess what? There is zero excuse for any group to put up with it.

Yes, damn that checks notes Zero Mostel! What a terrible person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51xeox0Jlg

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Post by GauntletWizard »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #224
BitwiseFool wrote: post #84

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>"But yeah, the last thing you should do to someone with a swastika flag is call them a Nazi. It's a cheap shot." What you're actually doing is taking the evidence that unidentified individuals with a Nazi flag showed up at a demonstration involving thousands of people and ascribing that as representative of the entire movement. That's the cheap shot. There is no way for any protest movement to prevent some dudes fro…

I once saw a LaRouche protest describe the same way. The LaRouchies are crazy, but they're not Nazis - What they'd done was Photoshop a picture of Obama with a picture of Hitler.

Ah, found it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/12/healthcare-tow...
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