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American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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Makes sense. Thanks for this context.

Does it make sense? Bots rarely make HTTP requests for images, css, video clips, large JS files, custom fonts, etc. Real people do. A well-written bot just seeking some specific data can often complete it's task with less than 1% of the resources that would be sent to a "real" user.

Lol. Well written bot. You assume so much. Most bots are not well written at all, and more often buggy as hell generating unnecessary extra load.

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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I've flown over half a million miles on American. They've been pretty nice to me every time. I have nothing to dislike about them.

Pretty nice isn't how I would describe great service. That's my point, the bar is low when it comes to airlines. In your case they should be treating you like a legend.

Not sure why you are doubling down on insisting all airlines suck, when not everyone agrees. When I was Platinum Plus (not even the highest level) AA held up a mostly-full 737 for about 25 minutes because my incoming flight was late and that was the last flight to our destination that day. I was the only person on the jetway, and they closed the cabin door before I even sat down -- in my upgraded-to-first-class seat.

Sure sometimes flying entails hassles and inconveniences but not every airline is awful and certainly not every employee lacks compassion.

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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American Airlines is alleging 12 legal claims: 1. Breach of Contract 2. Tortious Interference with a Contract 3. Unfair Competition by Misappropriation 4. Trespass 5. Trademark infringement 6. Dilution 7. Dilution under Texas State Law 8. False Designation of Origin 9. Copyright Infringement 10. CFAA 11. Violation of Texas Harmful Access by Computer Act 12. Unjust Enrichment

Curious how Breach of Contract can fly, considering TPG never agreed to a contract with AA to begin with. And AA is obviously not suing their own customers.

There's a ToS, which is a contract.

From the AA website: "By logging in, you accept the AAdvantage terms and conditions"

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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Screen scraping isn't exclusively about using OCR - it more usually means parsing text content from HTML.

What's the "screen" part of this, though? I guess if you have to render the page fully (execute the JS as well), rather than just parse the returned HTML, that to me is more "screen scraping" vs. "scraping".

No idea where the name came from!

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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If I authorize an agent to act on my behalf in a particular way wouldn't they be considered and authorized as me? If I make a contract with Bob to mow my lawn, it's not like Bob's workers or employees have to sign the contract too. TPG shouldn't need to be party to the contract to be an agent of one of the contracted parties.

What happens if you hire someone to be your agent at your job?

That's how a temp agency works, no? You hire the agency because you need a worker for a short term job, and the agency will in turn hire a temp worker to actually do the job.

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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Gotta love Streisand Effect. I did not know TPG had an app, and now it’s on my Home Screen. Thanks, AA!

Just be aware that TPG is often harmful to consumers; they often tout credit card deals for cards with better sign-on bonuses if you go directly to the issuer; they were touting a 60k Amex Gold bonus when you could just go to Amex directly for 75k. They exist to drive CC referral revenue; if they can't get referral revenue for a card, they won't promote it. I'm a much bigger fan of https://www.doctorofcredit.com/ for…

I'd happily give TPG the 15k miles worth of referral bonus anytime - their reporting on travel, especially the extra work they've put in for helping people travel in the pandemic, is some of the best on the web. Even in the past 24 hours they shared a new and interesting trans-pacific airline that makes stopovers in Anchorage which would be fun to try (https://thepointsguy.com/news/northern-pacific-airways-boein...)

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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Can a company write "Chrome is not allowed to access this website" in their terms of service and then sue Google when customers still use it?

Someone else gave a decent answer to your question, but I’m not sure that’s this situation. TPG is scraping AA and then displaying the results in TPG’s app. There’s an http request being sent by a TPG computer and IP address to AA. I think that’s a relevant distinction. I also think that’s relevant to whether TPG is a party to the AA TOS.

What about ICloud plus Prody then? It comes from Apple’s servers. Add Safari reader on top of it and I think it becomes similar.

Move Reader to iCloud proxy and I think it becomes almost identical?

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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How is this any different than Plaid? How has Plaid managed to avoid a lawsuit like this?

It's so funny you post that today! I just got this settlement email about Plaid:

> A Settlement has been proposed in class action litigation against Plaid Inc. (“Plaid”). Plaid enables connections between a user’s financial account(s) and approximately 5,000 mobile and web-based applications (“apps”). This class action alleges Plaid took certain improper actions in connection with this process. The allegations include that Plaid: (1) obtained more financial data than was needed by a user's app, and (2) obtained log-in credentials (username and password) through its interface, known as Plaid Link, which the litigation alleges had the look and feel of the user’s own bank account login screen, when users were actually providing their login credentials directly to Plaid. Plaid denies these allegations and any wrongdoing and maintains that it adequately disclosed and maintained transparency about its practices to consumers.

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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I've flown over half a million miles on American. They've been pretty nice to me every time. I have nothing to dislike about them.

I'm skeptical of the new rewards program, but I've only ever maintained Gold, so it won't really be hard to switch, should I decide to. I imagine for you it's more or less impossible to start over now, so it's pretty lucky that they've been good to you so far!

Honestly, I don't fly enough to have status on any airlines anymore. I used to go to every conference I could, so I was flying internationally several times a year. Frequent flyer programs were entirely mileage-based then, so that made status easy. 100,000 miles was difficult and I only did it with mileage runs. Worthwhile back in the day; system-wide upgrades were easily worth the cost of a trip to Europe for a weekend in the winter :) Plus, visiting random countries was a ton of fun.

I kind of got tired of traveling so much and stopped doing it, though. Traveling for work (just meeting people in other offices) kept my status until about 2017. Then I stopped doing that, and now I'm just a bum with no status on any airline. That's about when the mileage-based gravy train came to an end anyway, so I'm not that upset about it. It is good to be marked in the system as someone to pay attention to (got many free upgrades on Cathay Pacific for no reason back in the day), but you are still treated well when you buy a first or business class ticket even without status.

Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other

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iphone only though. Apparently Android users aren't big enough market to bother.

In the status symbol-y world of $20k first class airline suites, $1,500/night overwater bungalows, and $695/year credit cards, that's probably true.

I'm not sure that's the only people that use TPG, but maybe it's the largest audience, I guess they know it better.
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