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Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by oxml »

whynotminot wrote: post #147
oxml wrote: post #138

I bought two LG Ultrafine 5K displays in 2016 and they're still going strong. They're good — probably the best affordable retina monitor option available, but not perfect. For example, I wish I could daisy chain, and there are occasional ghosting when changing from a contrasty/bright screen to a dark screen. I also ran into problems this year with my MBP maxing out CPU when running both displays at once — after 5 yea…

Are you having any image retention issues? Mine seems to hang onto images, especially along the outermost inch or so of the screen. Not a deal breaker--still love the screen--but kind of unacceptable given the price. But I bought it second hand so warranty isn't really an option for me.

That's the ghosting problem I referred to, although image retention is the accurate term. I never noticed that it was mostly the outer edges of the screen, but now that you mention it, the image persistence on mine seems to be mostly on the outer 2-4 inches of the screen.

Agreed. Not a dealbreaker, especially since it's such a great screen otherwise. Although given the price, it's a shame this problem exists.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by oceanplexian »

cheeze wrote: post #174
jstx1 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just find that's truly not an unlikely situation to be in. Uhm, I would say that fully remote $300k+ jobs are still unlikely.

Not really. I was pleasantly surprised at the options out there when I looked recently. Entry level dev, yeah going to be hard. Senior level dev with a decent resume? Shouldn't be an issue at all.

My experience working as a senior engineer in FAANG is you get a 2 year old Intel MacBook and maybe a grand to spend on some accessories. Like 80% of my peers thought their 60hz Dell 1440p monitor was state of the art and couldn’t tell the difference between a Celeron and an i9 10900x if their life depended on it.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by minimaul »

mmis1000 wrote: post #253
minimaul wrote: post #79

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This specific issue is definitely a macOS problem - instead of doing proper resolution independent rendering, macOS just renders at 2x the 'looks like' resolution, and then scales the result to fit the panel. But even on Windows, the choices at 27" 4K aren't great. 100% is too small. 200% is too large. 150% is quite nice, but I find apps regularly don't scale properly, and text still isn't as nice as 200% on a 5K dis…

Ummm, I think 274K on 200% is definitely fine? I just use it as 1080p with better text rendering and graphic. I don't even use it at 150% because that at a 50 ~ 60 viewing distance isn't really a pleasure experience. Did you place the monitor very close to your eyes?

Display distance is between 3ft and 4ft away for me depending on exact seating posture - so somewhere around 1m.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by nine_k »

oceanplexian wrote: post #272
cheeze wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. I was pleasantly surprised at the options out there when I looked recently. Entry level dev, yeah going to be hard. Senior level dev with a decent resume? Shouldn't be an issue at all.

My experience working as a senior engineer in FAANG is you get a 2 year old Intel MacBook and maybe a grand to spend on some accessories. Like 80% of my peers thought their 60hz Dell 1440p monitor was state of the art and couldn’t tell the difference between a Celeron and an i9 10900x if their life depended on it.

Same experience.

You can get nicer stuff, but you should order it specifically, and explain why you need it.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by gfxgirl »

minimaul wrote: post #106
xyzzy123 wrote: post #96

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Some work tools get treated like capital or heirloom and some get treated like consumables . Scissors or a hand plane are decent "heirloom" items. Potentially you can retire with the same one you started with, or pass them down. Electric drills start to lean toward consumable. Battery tech changes over the years and they do wear out in non-fixable ways. Screen and computer tech advances so fast that 5 years is a "goo…

This is a good comment in general, but: > I think it can still make sense, but very often when people buy the premium in computers or displays they are getting the same thing everyone else gets 30-50% cheaper 1 year later. I'd normally agree, but the article's point is that this isn't happening with displays - we're stuck at 4K as the best available except for a handful of displays that are still expensive even years…

There's a market of at least 1 (me) waiting for an HD-DPI wide display. All of the 34 - 38 inch displays are LD-DPI :( My LG 38" is 3840x1600. I want it to be 7680x3200 in the same size monitor

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by johnwalkr »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #134

My utterly unrealistic dream is: now that the first batch of 5k iMacs is approaching “old age,” some business would start selling kits than had the tools and instructions necessary to gut old iMacs, and a new controller board that would convert the remaining screens to basic DisplayPort displays. At $300 and around $500 for an old iMac on eBay, this could be somehow both more economical and likely more reliable than…

This exists albeit more DIY than your dream: https://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/hrlf8x/the_secr...

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

gfxgirl wrote: post #275
minimaul wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good comment in general, but: > I think it can still make sense, but very often when people buy the premium in computers or displays they are getting the same thing everyone else gets 30-50% cheaper 1 year later. I'd normally agree, but the article's point is that this isn't happening with displays - we're stuck at 4K as the best available except for a handful of displays that are still expensive even years…

There's a market of at least 1 (me) waiting for an HD-DPI wide display. All of the 34 - 38 inch displays are LD-DPI :( My LG 38" is 3840x1600. I want it to be 7680x3200 in the same size monitor

Dell offers a 32” 8K monitor. Driving that beast needs two DPs on your graphics card, however.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by ArchD »

Why the insistence on Retina displays, though? If the pixel count is too small for the monitor size, then place the monitor further away, and use more monitors if necessary. E.g. you could have 2x 30-inch 4k monitors. The DPI is low but you can place the monitors further to compensate.

Having monitors further away from the eyes may also help to prevent eye strain from focusing too close for too long.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by jansommer »

mundial86 wrote: post #83

I am hanging on to dear life with a slowly dying Dell UP2715K in the hope that 2022 will be the year someone finally makes a decent replacement for the glossy 5k displays that came out years ago. The fact that the pro xdr only has one port makes it a non starter for me. I need to connect more than one device to my monitors.

My UP2715K broke recently, and I thought, well, 4k can't be that bad, there's almost no 5k monitors so perhaps the difference isn't that big of a deal. So I bought Dell's UP2720Q. Brilliant colors, can't complain at all on that point, but text is noticably blurry compared to what I'm used to. This is such a bummer

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by mgarfias »

jen20 wrote: post #242
xyzzy123 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some work tools get treated like capital or heirloom and some get treated like consumables . Scissors or a hand plane are decent "heirloom" items. Potentially you can retire with the same one you started with, or pass them down. Electric drills start to lean toward consumable. Battery tech changes over the years and they do wear out in non-fixable ways. Screen and computer tech advances so fast that 5 years is a "goo…

I bought a 30" Apple Cinema Display in the mid-2000s, and gave it away last year to a colleague who wanted to resurrect a period-correct Power Mac after upgrading to 5K screens. Not holding out much hope for the build quality to be the same sadly, but monitors certainly can be decade-long investments! FWIW 5K screens were 1100 apiece from Microcenter - vastly less money than the Cinema Display was in the UK back then…

My kids are rocking my old 23” cinemas, the newest of which is 15 years old.
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