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Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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What's telling is the contrast in covid vaccination rates between nurses vs doctors. The vast majority of doctors get themselves vaccinated, whereas a large portion of nurses only get vaccinated as needed legally.

That does say… something. I’m just not sure what.

That doctors being coerced by the risk of losing their job shouldn't be judged as if their choice was based on medical knowledge.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Wow... I thought it was just tinfoil hat types that were avoiding this vaccine because they were afraid Bill Gates was using it to implant a tracking chip inside them. But if healthcare workers - who actually know what's in this thing - are so vaccine-hesitant that the government has to mandate it to them, I'm suddenly worried whether or not I should think twice about getting a booster (or worse, giving it to my chil…

I don't know if you're being disingenuous, but health care workers is a very wide group of people; most probably have absolutely no idea about 'whats in this thing', and in my experience most doctors are vaccinated --- it's hospital staff that aren't.

The doctors here in Montana I've talked to about it are not exactly advertising it but are unvaccinated and have recommended to me to avoid the vaccine and one intimated it's insane to vaccinate children.

So that's not the case with all doctors.

Then again, I'm fit, healthy, great diet, low stress, eat well, lots of sunlight. Covid poses less risk to me than driving, my kids it doesn't rise to the level of conscious thought.

Covid's over here.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Vaccines should not be a personal freedom choice. They are a life saving invention, where did we go as a society that this is suddenly up for debate? Did people forget that we eradicated Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitis etc? Where does this sudden influx of people come from that are opposed to this absolute incredible work of science?

> Vaccines should not be a personal freedom choice.

I don't do personal attacks but in your case I'll make an exception: you are a fucking psychopath if you think it's ok to tell people to get a jag for something that is killing literally no one right now!

We're at around 100 deaths per day right now in the UK [0] and those stats don't actually tell you if they died FROM covid or merely had covid 28 days earlier when they died (massive difference!)... completely hides the real data.

In addition, there are on average 450 deaths per day from cancer [1] so where is the big gov. push to eradicate that?

Here are the overall death stats in the UK [2]. COVID is a tiny fraction of it.

[0] - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=over... [1] - https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-... [2] - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Except that the role of the CMS, as established by congress, is to set the guidelines of care and standards of participation for providers who opt to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. They set rules for everything from how many hospitals can be owned by a single entity, to what sorts of qualifications are required for hospital administrators, to what types of medical orders are allowed to be given to patients. T…

If that's true, how come several federal judges have come to the opposite conclusion in their rulings?

I can only assume they're allowing their personal politics to get in the way of making a sound legal decision.

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What are the odds a healthcare worker hasn’t been repeatedly exposed to Covid by this point?

A bit under half of Americans have already caught covid.

Even without vaccines, that means nearly half of Americans already have natural immunity which is vastly superior to vaccine immunity.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Rejecting a compulsory measure not “anti-science,” and using that term in that manner displays a dogmatism that is decidedly unscientific. It is quite coherent to accept the consensus epidemiological realities of COVID, the efficacy and safety of the vaccines, and simultaneously disagree with compulsory measures to enforce treatment.

Agreed but in this specific context the issue concerns healthcare workers. Vaccines are mandatory in the army for obvious reasons, ones that are even more relevant for healthcare workers.

I agree that certain forums require perhaps different compulsory actions, and for healthcare certainly the case for more stringent requirements can be made. Nonetheless my previous reply remains accurate, it is quite possible to coherently argue against them in this context, at minimum by way of their political mechanism of enforcement, while also accepting the consensus scientific views.

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Greater good of society out weighs people's individual rights. These are basic constitutional tenets. Why you can't yell fire in a crowded theater even though you have the right to free speech. Why the SCOTUS has ruled vaccine mandates are constitutional.

Schenk was overturned because it was a bad decision. In general, “fire in a crowded theater” is my heuristic for “this person doesn’t know what they’re talking about”. This is the top Google result for “fire in a crowded theater”: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

Use the more modern version it and yell “I have a bomb”.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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What are the odds a healthcare worker hasn’t been repeatedly exposed to Covid by this point?

makes me wonder if repeated exposure that doesn't result in the virus replicating enough to take hold in the body gives you any kind of immunity, or if that is even a possibility. like how many viral bodies does it take, just 1?

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Brilliant and timely decision. Good luck with Omicron, US.

Aren't the Omicron symptoms relatively mild?

And is only an increased concern because it might be more adept at evading the spike-based vaccines.

If you're not vaccinated or have natural immunity, there's likely zero increased reason for personal concern.

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