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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by tayo42 »

dustingetz wrote: post #24
mkl95 wrote: post #22

This is an entirely subjective take, but in the last few years FB seem to have evolved from one the coolest places for an engineer to being at the bottom of FAANG. I wonder if a significant amount of those people are looking for positions at Google/Amazon or they are taking their expertise somewhere else.

all of fang has lost brand power, all sufficiently large megacorps are clusterfucks

Yeah why do we even have this acronym any more lol. I don't think I want to work at any of them anymore. I used to think it was cool, but now,ehh. Work life balance is to precious I think even if another 50k is enticing.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by orange_puff »

smnscu wrote: post #247
bottle_roket wrote: post #229

I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

I've been doing Karat interviews for about three years and it's been incredible for my mental health. The work is extremely flexible and there is nothing to worry about when you're not working (I dread deadlines and I'm neurotic enough to never manage a good WLB at a regular SWE gig). The compensation is also pretty good. Apply on their website if interested ( https://karat.com/ ) or hit me up at my username at googl…

I've had a karat interview before on behalf of Palantir and by the end of the interview I was less interested in Palantir (although thankfully I did move forward) than I was in Karat. I didn't end up looking too much into it. Do you think engineers with ~1 experience could get hired there for interviews? I am about to get promoted to SWE2 if that helps. I actually enjoy leetcode type problems and have solved over 800, so I think this would align with my interest.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by cebert »

varjag wrote: post #63
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

Even though a lot of FAANG (or MANGA) companies are in need of tech talent, good luck getting in unless you have some serious time to allocate to studying Leetcode problems. While this time investment will help you get in the door to such places, it's unlikely to make you a better programmer or help you at all in your current role.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by [deleted] »

cm2012 wrote: post #234
electrondood wrote: post #124

I think it really says something that Facebook has to pay 20k/year extra in base salary for the same level compared to other FAANG companies to attract developers. I'm almost embarrassed to admit this, but when someone lists that they work at FB on their dating profile, I assume they either aren't paying attention or have dubious morals.

Netflix pays an extra 100k, is that because of a reputation for dubious morals?

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Post by pedrosorio »

skinkestek wrote: post #170
pedrosorio wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man This is not a thing.

ok, good to know. But it still doesn't feel safe.

Do you have a specific outcome you are afraid of? It's not clear what you think "getting thrown under the bus" would entail.

Are you worried your ability to be employed working on tech would be put at risk as a man working in FAANG? What would that look like?

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Post by pedrosorio »

lupire wrote: post #144
0x0nyandesu wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no reason for it if I'm doing back end DevOps. I don't want to work on "the product".

Facebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office. Would you use that if you worked there?

> Facebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office

No it doesn't. Are you familiar with a product called Workplace [0] released in 2016 [1]?

[0] https://www.workplace.com/

[1] https://www.pocket-lint.com/apps/news/facebook/139126-facebo...

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by tdeck »

bottle_roket wrote: post #236
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the inside perspective > Couple this with a culture that has masterminded a set of carrots and sticks that gets people to push themselves very hard all of the time, I’m completely burnt out. Can you say more about the work/life balance? I've heard Facebook's work life balance described as everything from a cushy "engineer retirement home" to a grueling crushing workload that few can handle. Obviously FB is…

Obviously it’s a huge company with thousands of teams, but I’ve been an engineer on 3 different product teams and certain things have been the same everywhere. I would say purely from a coding perspective the workload is typical ~40ish hours a week. The stress comes from the biannual performance reviews that grade you explicitly across 4 axis. If you got your projects delivered on time with high quality code that’s j…

> How many code reviews did you do(they count)?

A friend who works at Facebook was telling me recently that since he gets judged explicitly on the code review count, he feels like he needs to immediately drop everything when a code review comes in so he can get to it before someone else approves and it gets merged. As you might expect, he finds that very disruptive.

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Post by adjkant »

jensensbutton wrote: post #211
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

I don't know, I think if you're interested in VR/AR, wearables, computer vision, building products for the "creator" generation, or even crypto (Novi) then FB/Meta probably has the best work pitch of all the FAANGs.

There are enough companies that offer competitive salaries to FAANG and interesting work in those spaces. That FB is the best of a list of companies wall street grouped should be the notable factor.

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Post by [deleted] »

tdeck wrote: post #278
bottle_roket wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously it’s a huge company with thousands of teams, but I’ve been an engineer on 3 different product teams and certain things have been the same everywhere. I would say purely from a coding perspective the workload is typical ~40ish hours a week. The stress comes from the biannual performance reviews that grade you explicitly across 4 axis. If you got your projects delivered on time with high quality code that’s j…

> How many code reviews did you do(they count)? A friend who works at Facebook was telling me recently that since he gets judged explicitly on the code review count, he feels like he needs to immediately drop everything when a code review comes in so he can get to it before someone else approves and it gets merged. As you might expect, he finds that very disruptive.

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