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It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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Is it? Can’t game it much or for long without being obvious because it’s compounding. Let’s say inflation is understated by 4% absolute per year. Over 40 years, that’s a factor of 4. https://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices... Is the fuel cost per mile traveled 4 times higher than it was in 1981? No. Fuel prices adjusted for CPI are about identical with what they were in 1981 ($3.80/gallon): https…

Fuel would be hard to game. It’s just fuel. Other components are trickier to calculate, like aggregate food prices or things involving hedonic regression. If there is gaming, you’d have to look at the tricky parts.

Since 2010 the cost of bread and milk has increased below CPI, and in general food at home has been below inflation too

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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What this doesn’t really address is the why? Yeah there’s more money floating around, so perhaps more people want to spend it, but why? Most people aren’t getting materially more stuff or even need that much more stuff, consumption’s already god damn conspicuous. Maybe everyone can afford a jet ski all of a sudden? No, the stims didn’t really do /that/ kind of wealth expansion. To me, this still looks like the bullwh…

I think they address the why:

  “Household balance sheets are now in a materially better state than they were pre-pandemic, as MP3 created a significant amount of wealth, pushing up the value of assets like equities, housing, cryptocurrencies, and so on. These gains have been broad-based across the economy, not just in the top decile or quantile. Ongoing stimulative financial conditions have further lowered debt service costs, and incomes have also benefited as economies have reopened. In short, households are wealthy, flush with cash, and ready to spend—setting the stage for a lasting, self-reinforcing surge in demand.”

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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Actually, that's a good point. Inflation would be even worse if that cash was going into physical goods and services. The government now has an incentive to leave crypto alone aside from providing clarity.

In the macro economic sense, fiat money isn't 'used up' or 'locked away' when you buy something like crypto, it's transferred from your account to someone else's bank account. Worse, it goes through the process of fractional reserve banking and multiplies about ~10x after changing hands repeatedly.

There's no such thing as fractional reserve banking. It's an urban myth that has been debunked by QE for over a decade. Lord only knows why people still believe it.

Banks create money on demand by discounting collateral. Government creates money on demand by discounting the power to tax.

Fiat money disappears by the drain to taxation, to repaying loans and to 'rainy day funds'.

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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> Demand doesn't boost GDP, producing real goods and services boosts GDP. You can't spend your way to prosperity despite what any of the insane MMT economists might say. I appreciate that you feel strongly on this matter. However, the strength of your feelings are less relevant than the fact that different people (who all know quite a lot about this sort of thing) do not agree with you (or with each other). Calling M…

MMT does sound like those radio commercials they had back in the 90s saying they would teach you how to "borrow your way out of debt" though.

Only because you haven't taken the time to understand what is being said - just the twisted version that isn't actually the case.

Every financial debt has a corresponding financial asset. Why follow the 'debt' and not the 'asset'? Because you have a psychological anchor on the word 'debt' that causes an emotional reaction?

All money is somebody's debt. That's how the accounting works. Rather than looking at the books from the 'credit' side, why not look at it from the 'in credit' side?

What I find amusing is how the bank borrowing from you so you are 'in credit' with the bank is a good thing, but the government borrowing from you so you are 'in credit' with government is a bad thing.

Given those are identical propositions in accounting terms, rationally the view about them should be the same.

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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Isn't that why the US government has longstanding agricultural subsidies, guarantees on prices, etc.? Do we really have a shortage of food?

That's the stated purpose. But it has no teeth. Last year we saw aisles empty of meat and lots of news about meat shortages. But during that time domestic pork supplies were down 40% in the same period that pork exports to China quadrupled. Those subsidies failed in their stated purpose of resiliency. During the bad times, all that mattered is where more profit could be found.

> During the bad times, all that mattered is where more profit could be found.

The people in China need to eat too; the pork is going to be eaten. It is hard to understate how hard the Chinese have been working to provide goods, services and technologies to the rest of the world for the last 40-odd years. They've been quite clear the whole way through that one of the things they want in exchange for that is support feeding themselves.

Them buying American pork in a tough year is not some capitalist failure. This is what hard work and savings is supposed to get China - front of the line in a crisis. It would be grossly unfair to pay them then tell them that they've actually got monopoly money that can't even buy pork.

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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What this doesn’t really address is the why? Yeah there’s more money floating around, so perhaps more people want to spend it, but why? Most people aren’t getting materially more stuff or even need that much more stuff, consumption’s already god damn conspicuous. Maybe everyone can afford a jet ski all of a sudden? No, the stims didn’t really do /that/ kind of wealth expansion. To me, this still looks like the bullwh…

> What this doesn’t really address is the why?

Consumers base purchasing decisions on their monthly outlays. When interest rates go down, they can afford more in payments, so they increase their consumption until their expenses match what they can afford. A good example here is housing.

The US and many EU states provided an under-appreciated amount of stimulus during the COVID-19 lockdowns. Even when this wasn't given directly to citizens, as it was in the US, it still trickled down from businesses to labor through steady wages. It also kept the wheels of the economy greased by keeping businesses out of bankruptcy, so when the lockdowns ended, the unemployed could return to work.

The steady wages piece here is key, because the lockdowns led to a significant reduction in daily expenses. So, i.e., if you had 5K in monthly expenses that were matched by 5K in income, for a non-negligible amount of time, you had 5K in income going against 3K in expenses. Even without direct stimulus payments, this led to a significant increase in average savings.

Now that the lockdowns are over, consumers - who now have money in the bank - also happen to have access to extraordinarily low interest rates (too much money chasing too few investment opportunities). Because of post-COVID structural issues, there is also an increase in the demand for labor, so wages are also increasing. And there's the much touted structural part of all of this.

We've never, ever (at least, from the early 20th century), seen as large of a reduction in global peacetime economic activity as we did in early-mid 2020. The closest example out there is the end of WW2. We've also never seen global economic activity drop, and then rebound, in such a short period of time.

> Maybe everyone can afford a jet ski all of a sudden? No, the stims didn’t really do /that/ kind of wealth expansion.

Getting back to your post, debt allows leverage. Consumers now have either lower monthly expenses (if they used their savings to pay off debt) or they have more money in the bank to use as a down payment. To use your example of a jet ski, a Yamaha EX at $7,200 USD can be purchased with 1K down and a 60 month repayment plan. The monthly payments will be $118 USD at a 5.2% (high) interest rate. So, the average American consumer, using only government-provided stimulus checks (3.2K per person), can afford the down payment along with almost two years of monthly payments for a jet ski before they have to start paying from their income.

Can they afford the jet ski outright? No, but consumer purchases are based on short term impulses, and the US stimulus checks, along with easy access to low interest debt, certainly pushes the equation towards consumption.

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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>Why in the hell would you believe climate experts? a) because we don't have a spare planet, and b) we kind of like our children. Like Russian roulette, its the risk of being wrong that changes the decision making paradigm from the one you use for 'should I buy bitcoin'.

Your mistake is weighing superstition vs tangible harm. Eliminating fossil fuels will condemn large swathes of the living population to true poverty and kill many more. How do you think things like hospitals in the developing world run? And the infrastructure that lets them be created to begin with? The idea that we should eliminate fossil fuels is truly a privileged take.

> Your mistake is weighing superstition vs tangible harm.

Care to share which of the thousands of peer-reviewed papers on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's website, you have:

a) read

b) understood

c) found errors in

d) brought to the world's attention?

500, 10, 1, ? I thought not.

And yes, of course it sucks - no one wants this. You seem to think the unpleasantness of the diagnosis and remedy gives you and yours an out.

https://www.ipcc.ch/

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

#278

What this doesn’t really address is the why? Yeah there’s more money floating around, so perhaps more people want to spend it, but why? Most people aren’t getting materially more stuff or even need that much more stuff, consumption’s already god damn conspicuous. Maybe everyone can afford a jet ski all of a sudden? No, the stims didn’t really do /that/ kind of wealth expansion. To me, this still looks like the bullwh…

I think they address the why: “Household balance sheets are now in a materially better state than they were pre-pandemic, as MP3 created a significant amount of wealth, pushing up the value of assets like equities, housing, cryptocurrencies, and so on. These gains have been broad-based across the economy, not just in the top decile or quantile. Ongoing stimulative financial conditions have further lowered debt servic…

This is one of the factors for current inflation, but it's not sustainable over the long run. Consumers will happily over-leverage themselves to pre-pandemic debt levels, and we'll be left in the same long term situation as before (bad demographics and too much money chasing investment opportunities).

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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Just a warning that this is an article by a hedge fund expressing a view of our current inflationary period that I would argue is heterodox among the economic mainstream. I suggest reading Paul Krugman and Claudia Sahm for dovish views, or Adam Ozimek for a more critical view. In particular, the idea that “inflation expectations” can perpetuate inflation via a self-fulfilling prophecy effect has been called into ques…

Claudia Sahm? Krugman? I rather listen to the hedge fund guys, at least they have skin in the game, don't they? Claudia Sahm is extremely partisan, and so is Krugman. You know it's going to be bad when we are starting to hear from the media that inflation is actually a good thing --because people have more disposable income to spend on things. First, it was just a blip, then they told us it would go away in half a ye…

> least they have skin in the game, don't they?

They do, but not in the game of writing truthful blog posts. If you think the market consensus on future inflation is wrong, you can buy TIPS, maybe even with leverage. People buying and selling those literally have skin in the game for future inflation.

Re: It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s everywhere

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post #153

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> Natural gas extremely expensive? Let me introduce you to renewables, which btw are getting better and better every year. Shutting down a natural gas pipeline that people depend upon just before winter, and then lecturing them about solar panels is not a good look. Artificially increasing the price of natural gas causes famines, it causes food and fertilizer to be more expensive, and it makes it hard for people to h…

Woah, what are you honestly on about? You can claim that the US is artificially raising natural gas prices, but the exact opposite is true. By chance of circumstance, we've historically underbuilt LNG processing facilities and that is isolating the US market from the rest of the world, so we have some of the lowest natural gas prices in the world right now. Please take your uninformed takes and cringey political rall…

The people with an agenda against renewables are strong on HN (and even more on Reddit) and completely outside of any viable statistics and numbers out there.

Every single country which increases their renewables share is performing better and better in terms of energy. But I suppose if you have a lot of shale gas to sell or subsidies to steal from tax payers for fossils or nuclear then the financial short term incentive is very high to shill for these dinosaur technologies.

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