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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by chalupa-man »

viraptor wrote: post #115
haunter wrote: post #93

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- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

> Cheaper than a gaming PC They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. > Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc. You can use a PC in the same way. If you position it well, you can even have a dual purpose work/entertainment PC.

> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end.

Initial game prices can be higher, but you can sell the games. Here in Australia it's common for new games to be $100 on console and $80-90 on PC. A month after release I can still sell a console game for $80, and often do, since I prefer single-player adventure/RPG type games which I will take 5+ years to replay if I ever do. That effectively means that games cost me $20 to play on a console or $80-90 to play on a PC. I prefer playing on PC for all the other reasons but it's really hard to justify the extra cost now that used PC games are no longer a thing.

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Post by gxnxcxcx »

eqtn wrote: post #202
gigatexal wrote: post #192

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Can you use a keyboard and a mouse with a console yet?

There are several games that support keyboard and mouse on Xbox

Here's the most complete list I found while researching the subject a few months ago:

https://xboxkbm.herokuapp.com/

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by GhettoComputers »

maccard wrote: post #258
GhettoComputers wrote: post #145

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Depends what matters to you. Do you care a lot for graphics? I can run nearly every game I care about on a laptop, since I care about gameplay like older emulator, indie games such as into the breach don't need good graphics, AoE II and SC are way more fun than ray traced shooters to me. For a cheap PC a 3400G APU can play GTA5 pretty well, and emulate PS3 games, nothing high spec just a CPU+GPU combo chip for $150 t…

> I can run nearly every game I care about on a laptop, since I care about gameplay like older emulator, indie games such as into the breach don't need good graphics, If that's what you care about then buying a modern console is a terrible idea, however you can buy a "retro" console (xbox 360) with dozens of games ver practically nothing (The first match on gumtree near me was a 360, 2 controllers and 35 games for £6…

But my PC can run PC native games, console emulators and upscale the graphics to make them look better on top of running programs. A 360 is limited to 720p, slow discs, proprietary slow HDD, and RRoD (I killed 2 360s when I had them due to the poor quality heatsink).

On PC they even have BotW DLC. https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/03/introducing_second... there’s no comparison for functionality.

The new Xbox can emulate (very poorly, less than a weaker computer can, but it’ll get better) too, it’s why the xbone with dev mode for homebrew was never hacked. https://www.ggrecon.com/articles/emulate-playstation-2-xbox-...

If I had to buy a console, form factor is the most important, I love my PSP. Could play NES, some SNES and very slow N64, perfect compatibility PS1 emulator, GB+GBC,GBA and of course PSP games. The homebrew on it for apps was amazing too with music players, ebook readers, cheats for every game, ability to change clock for battery life or performance, really a game changing device.

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Post by garrypettet »

owaislone wrote: post #165
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

For me it is the ability to jump in, play for 30 mins and get out any time I want. The guarantee that everything that has a label of my console on it will work instead of my PC specs running it in a sub-optimal mode or not running at all. The fact that I don't have to worry about dealing with Windows or PC in general just to play some games but biggest of all, the ability to just pack it up and take it with me wherev…

That's not been my experience on a console since the Sega Megadrive. Whenever I find a couple of hours to play video games (working around kids, wife, etc) I inevitably have to spend an hour downloading countless patches, updates, etc. Modern day gaming consoles have become more difficult to just pick up and play than consoles of yesteryear.

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Post by hnlmorg »

formerly_proven wrote: post #236
hnlmorg wrote: post #25

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No. Consoles aren't good general computing devices. But they are good at specific domains of computing.

Why not? A PS5 or whatever the current Xbox is have pretty much the same I/O as a SFF PC. Bunch of USB, HDMI, maybe DisplayPort (?), Ethernet. They have enough memory in this generation (16+ GB) to be quite useful machines. And they have GPUs which are roughly equal to a midrange card. The PS5 even has a standard M.2 slot. They're really just an SFF PC with heavily locked down software.

Because of all the little things they don't have: Keyboard and mouse, office suit. command line, etc. Sure you could probably solve all of those problems with enough time and money but you'd end up with something that's neither the same as the original console nor cheaper and easier to maintain than a mid-range laptop.

This is what general computing is about these days. Most consumer devices these days are powerful enough to do most general computing tasks. Even watches! But it's all the additional stuff you need to do to expose that power that prevents it from being a good general purpose device.

Whereas consoles are can be well suited in other domains outside of gaming even without installing additional peripherals nor hacking the OS.

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Post by gambiting »

rasz wrote: post #268
ghusbands wrote: post #136

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Plenty of people in this thread, including your parent post, have found it at around MSRP.

Parent linked >$800 console

Why would you reply to this comment instead of the one where I broke down the price into core components showing that no, it's not over MSRP at all??????

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Post by qwerty456127 »

mabbo wrote: post #207
qwerty456127 wrote: post #65

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I hope they also get the asymmetric keys once. I'll buy the thing then. I'm not buying hardware I can't patch to have root access and run custom firmwre on.

It's almost certainly impossible. With symmetric encryption, both the encryptor and decryptor need a copy of the same key- that's what makes it 'symmetric'. But with asymmetric encryption, the keys do not match. This means you can encrypt or sign the data with your private key, and then keep it private. The matching pubic key will decrypt or verify. The device would not have a copy of the private key in it, so it's u…

I know but everything is likely to leak sooner or later.

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Post by krageon »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

> what is the upside of a game console

No bullshit. PC's have compatibility issues, weird hardware edge-cases where you have to debug with multiple drivers to achieve stable performance (I wish I had only one of those per year of gaming...), etc. Quite simply consoles have issues sometimes, but broadly they are just far too small to really be items. Consistency is king when you just want to play videogames.

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Post by Toutouxc »

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #142
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. Valve has improved the Steam experience for Steamdeck, along with the Proton compatibility layer. Then they added "Great on Steamdeck" that will encourage devs to aim for better controller support. Now there are rumours Valve is working on a new "console". Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherwor…

> Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherword a fully capable PC with desktop performance + the console user experience (or almost there) there is strictly no reason to buy a Sony/Nintendo console anymore

I'm not sure I understand. What kind of device are you waiting for? The way I see it, a "fully capable PC with desktop performance + the console user experience" already exists, it's called a gaming PC with Steam Big Picture.

> But it doesn't matter anyway, since if Valve can release an actually good "console" experience, with builtin Steam store... Nintendo and Sony have nothing more to offer bar a few exclusives.

If Valve releases a console with an actually good console experience, then great, one more console with good console experience to choose from. So what does it bring to the table that other consoles don't have? Their PC-gaming oriented game catalog full of games that are either also available on consoles or are for some reason unsuitable for the usual couch+controller style? Because if I wanted that, I would've bought a gaming PC with Steam Big Picture, a thing that already exists.

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Post by dagw »

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #228
teamonkey wrote: post #160

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> Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. I've heard that for every console generation for the last 15 years. I don't think the arguments are any stronger now than they were in 2013.

Two big reasons why things are different: 1) with Valve's Steam Deck and the console-like experience for the Store on their Steam OS, PC GAMING is going to reach a broader market : you no longer need to install Windows, figure out driver updates or even how to use Windows, etc. in order to benefit from STEAM. edit: I have seen these type of gamers in the reddit discussions : they know about PC GAMING, they want a par…

Imho the only question left in this scenario,

To me the real question left is one of price. Will Valve be able to release a 'Steam Console' at the same price and performance as an Xbox? Or will people buying Xboxes today be willing to pay significantly more for a Steam Console than they are currently paying? As cool as the Steamdeck is, it's also twice the price of a Switch.

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