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LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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> Telemetry isn't inherently bad or privacy violating. How can you tell?

It's open-source software.

That means nothing. Go read the audacity threads pertaining to trying to sneak in Google and some Russian analytics clients.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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We use the telemetry data as input to many product and business decisions. It is very important.

If that was entirely true, then better communication with users would probably be the ideal substitute for it.

Those are in no way substitutes for each other -- you have to do both. People are not able to self-report accurate measurement data, and telemetry data can't tell you anything about what a person wants or why they do things.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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I have been burned often enough by software that auto-updates itself that I am positive I don't want it enabled by default on _my_ systems. Anywhere from between "this feature I really liked is gone" to "now it crashes every five minutes." Perhaps more importantly, companies that offer software that can auto-update itself, can also make it so that the software uninstalls itself. Or worse, installs something you don't…

I’m sorry but if you think that disabling auto-updates on goddamn browsers, then you may not be as technical a user as you think of yourself. Browsers run untrusted code 0-24, which get JIT compiled to machine code through a very complex and bug-prone process. Add to that that desktop OSs are quite lacking when it comes to sandboxes, so even with browser sandboxes, the potential for serious damage is quire hard. So,…

Junkies snort, sniff, drink, eat, inject untested stuff all the times, which get's metabolized to hot shit, frying their neurons, trying their livers, trough a very complex and bug-prone process with the occassional OD. Add to that that rational thought is quite lacking when it comes to judgement.

So, stopping to be a junkie is must.

edit: Blablala

Didn't you get the analogy? If your'e using software equivalent to the mindstate of some longtime crackhead with shrunken brains, there isn't much you can do to get the brain repaired.

You could pretend to do so, but you could also just switch off/disable the dangerous stuff, even if it locks you out from some content. Which could be seen as another addiction. So stop accessing that, too.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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This brings up the questions: How can i disable as much telemetry as possible when using the standard Firefox? What am i missing if i go to , search for "telemetry" and set everything to false ? Are there drawbacks to blocking the hostname incoming.telemetry.mozilla.org in Pi-hole?

Or you just turn it off in the normal preference UI and trust that California's AG will sue Mozilla into oblivion if they weren't honoring the CCPA.

https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2019/12/31/bringing-calif...

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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(Mozilla dev here, not speaking for Moz) "grab telemetery" - that data is really, really useful in making development decisions, and we are hyperparanoid about what we collect. From an armchair, it may seem like you can make the right guess about how to eg adjust garbage collection scheduling priorities, but actual data always surprises you in one way or another. It can make the difference between spending a month on…

> I really don't like to speculate on executive pay, but I'm pretty baffled why this is seen as such a big deal. They lay off 250+ people - many of whom are the very people needed to make the technical improvements many users desire - while the executives get pay raises. You wonder why it's a 'big deal'?

Did the execs get raises after the layoffs? About half the ones that were at Mozilla at that time are gone now.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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I’m sorry but if you think that disabling auto-updates on goddamn browsers, then you may not be as technical a user as you think of yourself. Browsers run untrusted code 0-24, which get JIT compiled to machine code through a very complex and bug-prone process. Add to that that desktop OSs are quite lacking when it comes to sandboxes, so even with browser sandboxes, the potential for serious damage is quire hard. So,…

Junkies snort, sniff, drink, eat, inject untested stuff all the times, which get's metabolized to hot shit, frying their neurons, trying their livers, trough a very complex and bug-prone process with the occassional OD. Add to that that rational thought is quite lacking when it comes to judgement. So, stopping to be a junkie is must. edit: Blablala Didn't you get the analogy? If your'e using software equivalent to th…

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Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Maybe I’m missing something but it looks like there aren’t actually code changes, rather a repackage with a strict policy file: https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/settings/-/blob/maste... I was wondering how they could instantly patch nightly builds and this seems to be the approach. Good idea and nice to have a build pipeline that allows tweaking Firefox to this degree.

Their patches can be found here: https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/browser/common/-/tree...

Thanks for linking that. Seems like the patches are 95% UI-related. There doesn’t seem to be any significant change related to improving privacy.

While I’m grateful to this project for calling attention to the privacy issues with Firefox, most of the effort spent on this seems like replacing the brand.

People could get nearly all of the benefit by copying the policy.json file.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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What is privacy really? The browser? The ISP gets your data, the site gets metrics, and VPNs will just redirect traffic.

Having control over which information about yourself, your life, your habits, etc. you choose to give out, when, for how long, and to whom. It's not this convoluted. Give people their privacy.

I’m not anti privacy, it just means something different to everyone. If you don’t control the metadata for servers you use, does that mean you cannot ever expect privacy?

I argued with someone about how we shouldn’t expect privacy with a cell phone, I don’t see how a 24/7 location tracking device that reads data telemetry (even if you use a custom privacy rom you connect to the towers and send telemetry) can ever be seen as private. PCs are usually compromised with Intel ME or AMD ST (unless you have a specially modded one or use old government contracted ones with them disabled).

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Let's stop making privacy a techie-only thing, though. This should be a question a user chooses the first time they boot the browser, and Firefox should do its hardest to honor it.

Telemetry isn't inherently bad or privacy violating.

But is though IF it's not up front and center shown to the user. All telemetry can be backtracked to an IP in most cases. That's a bad thing. It's a form of history. It should be a switch that turns ON so that you OPT IN. Not the reverse, nor should it involve having to change a hosts entry.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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If you read that tweet, it mainly says that they made the choice based on DRM licensing. Well, plus a vague "it lost on many dimensions in a head to head comparison enumerating gaps vs. Chrome". Which I can't argue, because there are no specifics to disagree with. That said, I work on Gecko and it is indeed an old crufty codebase with numerous issues. From what I've seen of Blink, it seems surprisingly similar (overa…

The continuous struggle to get Gecko used by any non-Mozilla project should also carry weight: there are many reasons why Apple went with the arguably-inferior KHTML engine when they started their own browser, and why the resulting library was quickly adapted all over the world - when arguably Gecko had had by then a headstart of a decade or so. Reportedly, embedding WebKit in one's codebase was basically trivial, wh…

I have heard the same from many moons ago that the blink/khtml/webkit engine was designed from the start to be embeddable.
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