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Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by okl »

hnick wrote: post #116
dannyw wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The leak contains much more than this FYI, there's a hundred gigabytes of code and resources from dozens of repositories. Looks like someone dumped everything on their github enterprise. I wonder if this'll lead to software engineers in big companies having more restricted access to code?

Dozens? The 4chan post said "almost 6,000 internal Git repositories". We don't use git at work (TFS, yay), and we definitely aren't on their scale, but that seems high to me. Do they have a repo for every class? Is this normal?

Could include dependencies and forks of other public repos.

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Post by fellellor »

gverrilla wrote: post #171

I don't understand it: these companies have enormous funding, an army of employees, and they can't provide the service reliably (both regarding consistency and safety). What all these coders do all day? I'm asking as an uninformed party of course. But it looks to me like these are companies that build bridges, and their bridges are collapsing all the time.

Because so much of programming is written at a high level, most coders don’t know what the hell they are doing. Maybe the level of abstraction achieved makes it impossible to know.

Edit: One of the reasons is that because there are a very few people (probably) who do the low level stuff, there aren’t enough eyes on the code and a lot of vulnerabilities left in production.

Software companies are maybe incentivised to hire a lot of programmers who can start delivering on day 1. This wouldn’t be possible without the convenience afforded by high level languages.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

jandrese wrote: post #266
falcolas wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Number 1 is Critical Roll. Their website lists 24 employees (many of whom are professional actors), and I’m sure there’s more behind the scenes. Salaries add up quickly.

That works out to $200k/year for each employee, which after you account for benefits is a solid middle class income, assuming they don't live in downtown San Francisco or something. It's basically a regular job at that point.

I hate to break it to you, but 200k/yr is in the top 4% of earners in America. That's not "middle class" by any stretch of the imagination.

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Post by xdrosenheim »

scrollaway wrote: post #265
bogwog wrote: post #223

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That sounds like an internal product name. At launch they'll probably pick something significantly less clever and more generic. It would be pretty awesome if they stuck with "Vapor" though. It'd be some WWE-style drama, and great for marketing.

We could call games released on there Vaporware :)

And sales would come in Vaporwaves.

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Post by freeflight »

swarnie wrote: post #74
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #31

Link to the leak: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 Top 10k Streamers by Revenue: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam Contains the following data points: 'ad_share_gross', 'sub_share_gross', 'bits_share_gross', 'bits_developer_share_gross', 'bits_extension_share_gross', 'prime_sub_share_gross', 'bit_share_ad_gross', 'fuel_rev_gross', 'bb_rev_gross' (TTS donations, 3rd party revenue like OnlyFans, Patreon, Amazo…

Wagies donating to millionaires is probably the funniest thing i can imagine.

I don't think it's funny, I think it's sad because most of it comes from the emotional exploitation of parasocial relationships.

Something we used to scoff at in places like Asia, now even casual relationships are utterly commoditized and we taught a whole generation of young humans how that's the most normal thing in the world.

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Post by treesknees »

Trisell wrote: post #222
boringg wrote: post #196

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Am I the only one a bit disappointed by the gross earnings for the top 5 earners given how much the media has ben hyping the money made by e-gamers. For some reason I would have thought they would make more money over 2 years. Top earner was grossing $ 9.6M ($4.8M/yr), 10th was $2.9M($1.4M/yr), at 81 you drop below $1M (500k/yr) on twitch pre-tax revenue. After 81 you drop below the %1M over two years threshold. Actu…

Also good to note that most streamers have a side donation system that more then likely isn’t included in these numbers. Donations seem to be generally run through a non twitch third party site. And is probably a substantial increase if not a doubling of their income.

Many of these folks are paid to stay exclusively on Twitch and to not hop around to other platforms, and I don't believe that's reflected here either.

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Post by andy_ppp »

csark11 wrote: post #137
andy_ppp wrote: post #118

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Shouldn’t the hash be salted and useless elsewhere?

It can still be cracked

This is the SHA 256 of a phrase... go for it!

7BB7DB877943832837046863EF45C252D3A08C92A273F7B665210A6E12701095

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

cableshaft wrote: post #136
jollybean wrote: post #87

HN is vastly concerned about privacy and screaming about FB transgression on these issues etc., but the top post here is about disseminating private information of 10's of thousands of people.

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's out there now, might as well examine what you can learn from it and discuss it. FB is a business making conscious and deliberate decisions and can be called out on it in part because things like this can happen. I mean they just made such a massive goof that they completely took down their own site, other massive sites they owned, and locked their own employees out…

This is the same logic that a lot of people used during The Fappening. If we think it is immoral to steal this data then we should not condone people copying it and analyzing it as that's just benefiting from someone else doing the dirty work for us.

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Post by Buttons840 »

boringg wrote: post #201

This is going to BLOW up the twitch gaming community with all the infighting now that everyone knows how much everyone else makes. Wow.

Number of subs is often known, and the relative size of channels is known. Unless someone's going to be surprised that someone with double the viewers makes double the money, I doubt there will be any surprises.

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Post by sydthrowaway »

thinkingemote wrote: post #157

From another site a user commented that it might have proprietary modifications to ffmpeg which is LGPL/GPL (I think?). Would a leak be considered to be distribution, could others legally take these modifications and merge them into the upstream project? I imagine other free software might have modifications too.

Can you use GPL code internally (ie run your backend) if you never publish it?
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