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Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by brokenmachine »

BikeHelmet wrote: post #251
danShumway wrote: post #243

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Again, I'm not sure what you're arguing about. I just said "the UX here is due for a lot of innovation." And you replied "I want to have searchable fulltext in those 900+ tabs." Where is the conflict? Yes, you could build a really interesting tab/bookmarking system in a browser that blurred the lines between tabs and bookmarks and archival. You could do really interesting things with browser history, you could do rea…

Just FYI, but Opera does search the full page contents of every tab when using the tab search located next to the minimize button. The browser seems to be one of the only ones innovating right now, at least for power users. Edit: Now if only they'd fix their bookmark system!

Maybe I should check Opera out again, I used to use it back in the day and it had innovative features back then.

I forget what they called it but you could link one page to another, so I could have an index page open on one monitor and when you clicked on links in that, it would open those links in tabs in a window I had on another monitor.

Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by Arcsech »

jjeaff wrote: post #269
Arcsech wrote: post #266

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There are a few. But they're good for a vastly smaller range of use cases than they're applied to. You're writing Google Docs? Good for you, you can use an SPA. You're writing a social networking site? That should be a regular HTML page, with a sprinkling of JS. Blog? HTML page. Issue tracker? HTML page. Every site I've used that's been plain HTML and CSS, with maybe minor supplements in Javascript, is much nicer to…

To me a SPA is fine and usually preferable for anything I keep open for long periods of time. Sure, Gmail takes 10+ seconds to load. But I only load it once every few days at most because it stays open in my browser.

Cool. I don't feel like permanently dedicating a couple hundred megs of RAM to every site I need to use that decided to go chasing the latest counterproductive trend.

Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by dredmorbius »

MrDresden wrote: post #255
exikyut wrote: post #236

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You had me at "My bookmarks are ... tabbed". Please tell me I'm missing something and that there's a way to do this in Chrome so I can access the tags on my phone???? I have about 30,000 unsorted bookmarks. Yes. Because I need tagging.

I'm not sure about Chrome, as I use Firefox. Sadly Firefox does (for some peculiar reason) not give acceess to the tags on the mobile browser. So I navigate by folder hiearchy on mobile; read > professional > development > android > db for instance.

Mobile Firefox (Fennec) doesn't support tags, but the text descriptions are searchable when entering URLs, so you can key off of those.

Effectively full-text-search tagging.

Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by asdff »

brokenmachine wrote: post #177
asdff wrote: post #48

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I hear your qualms about bookmarks but to me having 100 open tabs does not save you from any of those issues at all, it just exposes you to things you never would have encountered otherwise. Macbooks I've owned randomly crash, always has always will. If I had 100s of tabs that would certainly be annoying to deal with opening that session again and watching my computer achieve liftoff with the fans when those 100 tabs…

Problem with that is that now I spend my whole life figuring out how to save stuff as an offline pdf or whatever, and the pages always break in some way when you try to save them. Often when given the option either mucking around with that or just leaving the tab in the background, I end up choosing the latter. Our tools should be better. Why can't it be one click to save the whole page? At least the url/text/images.…

zotero can save a webpage snapshot in one click. other browser extensions too. bookmarking practically speaking is no different than having a pile of tabs open, you just aren't consuming as much of your system memory.

Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by Luc »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #153
earthscienceman wrote: post #21

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I'm going to reply with a comment stolen from a different HN discussion: The fact that people (myself included) have 100s of tabs open is a symptom of just how broken bookmarking is on the modern web. Bookmarks are a miserable way to create a placeholder for your thoughts. It's too static, must be maintained, and generally prone to link rot. I'm a scientist. I open and read 10-20-100 links for a given topic depending…

The best solution I've got right now relies on these FF extensions: Window Titler to have a topic name for each window Multi-Account Containers to have an account for each window Temporary Containers when I don't want to use a specific account for a tab Total Suspender for shutting down all the obnoxious JS that runs in background tabs In addition, I pin a large # of base sites. This is all working fairly well, but w…

> This is all working fairly well, but would be much improved if FF had a Move Tab option that lets me select a specific existing window.

'Other Window'. Can't live without it.

Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by [deleted] »

agent327 wrote: post #209
masklinn wrote: post #195

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Sadly lots of modern sites break it completely. I regularly have issues getting back to HN threads from websites, usually I end up at the HN home instead. Quite frustrating.

This should help, if it ever gets implemented: https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/728459

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Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by thro1 »

agent327 wrote: post #209
masklinn wrote: post #195

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Sadly lots of modern sites break it completely. I regularly have issues getting back to HN threads from websites, usually I end up at the HN home instead. Quite frustrating.

This should help, if it ever gets implemented: https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/728459

You can get this effect just by loading some document into the sidebar e.g. Show all bookmarks -> check Load this bookmark in the sidebar -> click that bookmark - I'm not sure how to do this easy in newer Firefox versions - with Browser Console maybe ?

If you want full Side by side browsing mode:

Some part of it is extremely easy - to display ALL tabs side by side:

  profile/chrome/userChrome.css :

  tabpanels {
    display: -moz-box !important;
  }

  tabpanels > notificationbox {
    -moz-box-flex: 1;
    border-width: 2px !important;
    border:solid #888;
  }
For the other part - to have only two panels, sibling is easy, otherwise you would need some JS to mark a tab as something like content-secondary and handle it (e.g. there was an extension last_selected_tab doing like this AFAIR) - as you have only:

  tabpanels > notificationbox > browser[type=content-primary]
(Just tested in Firefox 60.4.0.esr - newer versions may need some minor adjustements in CSS, toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets preference set to true and probably some other fixes. In 2008 I had a Norton Commander 'clone' made in such incredibly simple way, ALL file and media formats preview (plugins), with a bit of custom code for nsIProtocolHandler, and nsIURIFixup fixes :) , kudos to archView extension by Pike/Solar Flare.)

R.I.P. Firefox.

Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by agent327 »

thro1 wrote: post #277
agent327 wrote: post #209

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This should help, if it ever gets implemented: https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/728459

You can get this effect just by loading some document into the sidebar e.g. Show all bookmarks -> check Load this bookmark in the sidebar -> click that bookmark - I'm not sure how to do this easy in newer Firefox versions - with Browser Console maybe ? If you want full Side by side browsing mode: Some part of it is extremely easy - to display ALL tabs side by side: profile/chrome/userChrome.css : tabpanels { display:…

I'm not convinced that you fully understood the point of this idea. The point is not just to just have any two web pages sitting next to each other (this is what your modifications do, right?), but more importantly the interaction between those pages.

I can already have two pages next to each other using Windows 10, by snapping two windows to the two sides of the screen. However, while that provides the correct visual shape, the user experience is completely different, as clicking a link in the left window will not open that page in the right window, replacing what's already there.

Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by gostsamo »

gcp wrote: post #204
gostsamo wrote: post #93

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As I said, usually I don't wait for a full crash so there is a survival bias in those ids.

The original ticket seems to indicate this is a leak in a Windows accessibility service and so far there was no luck in finding a way to avoid it. That sucks.

Well, if I'd like to have something rewritten in rust, this would be my first choice. :)

Re: Tab Unloading in Firefox 93

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Post by Kliment »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #258
Kliment wrote: post #215

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I do electronics. I keep my BOM entries as tabs, with a tab for each major component, its distributor page, and often its manufacturer page where the documentation lives. Different projects have their parts chunked together as bunches of tabs, so I can search my tabs for a part number and get that and everything else in the same project is nearby in the tab list. I currently have >3000 tabs open.

Interesting, in your use case, would having like ‘multi page bookmarks’ work? How many vendors are there? If there’s a small pool maybe scraping their datasets would work well also

Possibly, but bookmarks are trash UX and I hate managing them.

There are few vendors but they have millions of pages and the relevant data changes daily.

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