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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by sandGorgon »

regularfry wrote: post #243
creshal wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to be mostly a Dell/Microsoft problem, haven't heard of other vendors removing S3 functionality (yet, anyway).

I've got a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 which doesn't advertise S3. It's a really nice machine, but having to wait several months after getting it for someone out there who understands these things to come up with the right combination of kernel code and ACPI patches so I could shut the lid and not have it just reset when I opened it back up again was something I could have done without. Fortunately it's got the capability, it…

hi i have the Yoga Slim 7 too (the white carbon fiber one). How do you enable this ?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by diffeomorphism »

lelandfe wrote: post #238
toxik wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the same laptop, it works pretty decently. However: YOU WILL NOT HAVE MACOS MONTEREY, because Apple decided seven years is enough. Manufactured obsolescence.

I don’t think 7 years of major OS upgrades and support is really a good example of planned obsolescence…

Why not?

Windows 7 for example had a support lifetime of about 10 years. Any red hat release has a support lifetime of 10 years plus another 3 or 4 years of extended support for releases since 2010.

I agree that 7 years is not little, but it is not much either.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by julianlam »

gotstad wrote: post #54

I will never buy a Dell XPS laptop again. The exterior build quality seems very good, but the internals are such a mess. I cannot count how many times I have been biking home from work and heard in my headphones "Two devices connected", realizing that my Dell XPS had woken up and would - once again - be red hot when I arrived home and pulled it out of my bag.

This is unrelated, but do you find that you lose your sense of awareness when cycling with headphones in? I can see the appeal in a rural road or otherwise less busy area, but in downtown Toronto, you'll die if you do it.

Even on country roads, occasionally cars (and cyclists!) will pass to close, and one errant swerve will end in disaster.

I forget which country it was, but they had a national campaign (including radio ads and one pop song) that encouraged cyclists to ride with only one earbud inserted.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by gertrunde »

There's a whole bunch of reasons I keep disabling modern standby on my laptop. (And that's 'keep disabling' because either Dell or Microsoft keep switching it back on after updates - note this is a Windows feature, not a Dell-specific thing).

[Edit: In addition, the reg key to disable it keeps changing from release to release...]

The two most annoying ones:

1 - while in the middle of a VoIP call via a wireless headset, lock laptop while walking away from desk to make a cup of tea in the next room, 30 seconds later laptop goes into 'standby', cutting off the call...

2 - WiFi never wakes back up properly out of modern standby, either disable/re-enable, or disconnect/reconnect works to bring it back perfectly ok.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lerela »

bestouff wrote: post #110
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

I have an XPS 9500 under Linux (this is a >$4000 machine), no amount of fiddling with BIOS settings (which are few) or systemd/GNOME settings will make it work reliably: - short suspend time (it can't really stay overnight when suspended with a full battery) - sometimes it wakes up and overheats in the bag - very short battery duration when unplugged Apparently I'm not alone, and even under Windows it's a generalized…

I have an high-end XPS 13 from 2020 (9310), allegedly with native Linux support, and have the exact same issues.

My previous XPS 13 from 2016 was suspending properly but now I cannot suspend my "laptop" for more than a day (it will die) or store it in a bag (it will become lava). Hibernate does not work either.

I'm learning with this thread that it also happens on Windows and I'm struggling to understand how Dell could decide to sell "laptops" at this price and not test one of the most basic features of a laptop.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by julianlam »

infp_arborist wrote: post #262

Am I the only one who is afraid that part of the reason for not fixing behaviour like this might be a nudging towards "always on" devices? Reading through the comments it seems on Windows this might be related to WLAN and automatic updates, a rather sensitive area when it comes to security and privacy. Happy to hear your opinions, I'd really love to be proven 100% wrong about this.

Occam's Razor suggests that it is likely promoted to boost UX. Being able to open a laptop and get going instantly (much like unlocking a phone or tablet) appeals to end users.

Personally, I couldn't give a darn. I grew up staring at a Windows 3.11 boot screen for minutes at a time. I have patience LOL

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by reitzensteinm »

ubermonkey wrote: post #269
reitzensteinm wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 2020 MBP, and it's as shitty as any high end Windows laptop I've used. The thermals are awful under moderate CPU use, the fan spins when using an external monitor, the battery vampire drains when it's shut for an extended time instead of saving memory to disk and shutting off. I think what really happens is people compare $1k Dells with $3k Apples. I'm looking forward to an M1X MBP, though. That may legitima…

I'm along-term Mac laptop user, and your experience doesn't track to mine at all. I've never had one of mine get hot in a bag. Wake from sleep is nearly instant, and always has been. I will cop to hearing the fans more often since I switched to running two 4K screens with it, but I'm not sore about that.

But I didn't list either of those issues? Are you replying to the correct person?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by comeonseriously »

kelnos wrote: post #8

The issue is that Windows doesn't go into S3 sleep when you close the lid; it goes into a weird not-really-asleep state for... some reason that I don't agree with[0]. I guess that state is "hot" enough that you could damage the laptop by putting it in a bag while in that state. Fortunately I've been running Linux on my XPS 13, which I have put into a bag hundreds of times (maybe even over a thousand) while suspended.…

The very latest (9310) XPS 13 doesn't have S3 at all, though, from what I'm gathering. So even on Linux, it won't sleep well.

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Post by rickdeckard »

zokier wrote: post #75
vesinisa wrote: post #23

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This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

Hibernation is not slow on modern PCs (XPS-15 9500 here), the problem is that Windows 10 can wake the PC from Hibernation at any time, and there's no option in BIOS to prevent that. I chased all the sources using Windows Event-log and "powercfg /lastwake" and then disable each, but it took DAYS to find them all and make sure it now stays in hibernation.
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