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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by dnr »

brightball wrote: post #166

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

This is one of those religious arguments where no one will every change their mind, but I feel like a trackpad is the dumbest mouse interface and can't use anything but a trackpoint (or a mouse of course).

Consider dragging and dropping: with a trackpoint you click with your thumb, then use your pointer finger to move the mouse cursor any distance you like, without moving your hand, then release. With a trackpad you press the pad and then move your finger some distance and then... oops, you hit the edge of the pad. Better abort and try again, starting the motion from the opposite pad. Except if I'm on a non-apple trackpad, and I have to click near the top of the pad, it's nearly impossible because the click hinge is near the top. Or maybe I do a finger swap to reset the drag position, and hope that the OS doesn't interpret my moment of two fingers touching as some kind of gesture.

Anyway, it does take some time to get used to, so you won't get it in a few minutes or even a few hours. Try a week. Also make sure you're using a lenovo one (the dell/toshiba ones aren't as good), and very importantly, that you have a fresh cap. Worn out caps make it really frustrating.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by noasaservice »

> Can I use a different Operating System?

> Base and Performance configurations ship with Windows 10 Home pre-installed and Professional ships with Windows 10 Pro pre-installed. You can also load your own operating system later, like a Linux distribution.

So... Forced windows tax, even when Dell can manage for Linux. Yuck. Like, really yuck.

And for the specs:

> Base $999.00

> i5-1135G7 | 8GB Memory | 256GB Storage | WiFi 6 | Windows 10 Home

8 gigs of ram? Well, I guess that's 1 chrome or firefox window open, and an electron app. And .25TB ssd? That's great for a machine 8 years ago.

I'll stick with Dell's Business line. They're rugged, parts are serialized and easy to order/obtain. Pass on the "Framework".

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

frereubu wrote: post #177

It seems like there are a lot of people here who change their laptop almost every year or two. Is that common? I ask because I'm still using my mid-2014 MBP, and it's only really this year that it's started feeling underpowered with the fans running quite a bit. Apple laptops are expensive for sure, but compared to upgrading every year it seems like a good deal, not to mention the problem of electronic waste. (I'm no…

Checking in with a 2012 Toshiba Satellite R830 still ticking. Only had to replace the battery pack about 4 years ago.

Takes me 30 seconds to boot up and 4 seconds to shutdown running Debian since forever.

Does what I want and gets out of the way. Never really felt anything missing performance wise.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by idoubtit »

The article contains a link to the page where one can customize a Framework order https://frame.work/laptop-diy-edition The problem with this page is that I can't see which component is selected, even after I click on them. Zooming in, I see that selection means coloring the thin border in red. About 8% of male adults have at least a minor trouble with colors, usually green and red, so that UI is annoying/unusable for many people. I hope their computers are better thought out.

tl;dr Framework's shopping site is broken in case of light color blindness.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by OJFord »

Johnny555 wrote: post #194

What are the long term prospects for this company? I'd like to have a repairable/upgradable laptop, but if they go out of business in a year, it's not much of an improvement over a Macbook... granted, it'd be some improvement since I could replace/upgrade commodity components like RAM or the hard drive but if the motherboard or display fails, I have to buy a new laptop.

Not great if we all think like that and 'wait to see'!

It's still better though, a lot of it is standardised stuff - you don't need Framework to exist to be able still to replace your M2 SSD, WiFi, DDR4 RAM.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by TremendousJudge »

BoysenberryPi wrote: post #246

I really really want this laptop but my work has become increasingly GPU dependent. Hopefully they release a model with a lightweight GPU.

Yes, this is exactly my view too. I need this in my life but it just doesn't fit my workload

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by wpietri »

riedel wrote: post #106
tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

Unfortunately currently framework says it is impossible to have a slim, tiny , customizable laptop with a trackpoint option (due to the keyboard height). Hopefully we will overcome this one too and I would be all in...

This is the barrier for me too. I'm writing this on a 4-year-old Thinkpad. (The "25th anniversary edition", which has my favorite keyboard.) If somebody figures that out, I'm happy to switch, as my feelings on the Thinkpad line are the same as Doctorow's: formerly great, now sadly declining.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by felistoria »

ip26 wrote: post #251
afterburner wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or he could just save the money. But I guess he has to constantly reward himself for quitting? Man addiction sure is a pain.

From the smokers in my life, it's apparent to me people generally need a fairly concrete reason or goal to successfully quit. Otherwise it's always Sure, I'll quit - tomorrow Willpower is a muscle. It fatigues. So simply willing your way out of an addiction is not effective for many people.

My mom smoked for about 45 years and stopped the day she found out she was having a grand daughter. She didn't want to smell like smoke around her. Hasn't touched a cig in years. The whole family is better for it.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by adamdusty »

flatiron wrote: post #57
MMS21 wrote: post #49

>That tool – a small screwdriver – is also sufficient to upgrade the CPU CPU isn't up-gradable without switching out the entire mainboard, which I'm fine with, once I get an AMD version that is :)

ive seen a lot of requests for an AMD version but i always see people complain about AMD's linux support. Do you plan on running windows? If you are planning on Linux is the support really as bad as people complain. I say that because intel's linux support seems to me as top notch. ive never really had driver issues that i can think of

I dont know about laptops but I've been running Ubuntu on a ryzen 1600 since the couch came out and haven't had any issues.
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