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Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by atemerev »

sdevonoes wrote: post #106

IMHO, I think everyone here is missing the big point: all these "features" are being pushed to the web because A/B tests say so. The usual way things go is: - option 1: don't add feature X - option 2: add feature X - option 3: add feature X slightly modified So, since option 1 is not an option at all (businesses want to grow; they don't want "stable software", they want to push features live every sprint), then lean…

This is why I cringe every time when I hear about "data-centric approaches". Data-centric gives you this.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by atemerev »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #111
sdevonoes wrote: post #106

IMHO, I think everyone here is missing the big point: all these "features" are being pushed to the web because A/B tests say so. The usual way things go is: - option 1: don't add feature X - option 2: add feature X - option 3: add feature X slightly modified So, since option 1 is not an option at all (businesses want to grow; they don't want "stable software", they want to push features live every sprint), then lean…

So you're basically telling us they do it to make money, and they're not wrong, it works to make money? I don't think that actually comes as a shock to anyone! My favorite scene in the movie Sorry To Bother You: - See? It's all just a big misunderstanding. - This ain't no fucking misunderstanding, man! So, you making half-human, half-horse fucking things so you can make more money? - Yeah, basically. I just didn't wa…

Well it isn't the only way to make money. So far, Apple is not (yet) big on all this stuff, yet they make quite a lot of money. Though even they are starting their descent to hellscape.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by dkdbejwi383 »

eveningsteps wrote: post #17

Very bitter and to the point. I regularly wonder, do the people who want features like these installed — feedback form, "support chat" windows of various degrees of fakeness, subscription offer popups jumping in your face, and other absolutely baffling obstacles — really use their own web sites? Have they ever had to?

I visited a retailer's website recently and wanted to use what I thought was a text-chat popover thing to ask a question about stock availability. Once I clicked it, it asked for permission to access my microphone -- err, what? -- when I denied it, I got a chiding message telling me to enable microphone access so I could speak my question, so that some salesperson could listen to it and send me a reply email within the next business day answering my question.

Ridiculous.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

don-code wrote: post #221
leavenotracks wrote: post #82

So true, so sad. These days, when even a few hurdles of crap present themselves, I often just leave. I don’t care what the site has to say or sell me. Whenever I come across a site that just displays content immediately, it fills me with joy. Usually it’s some obscure personal or academic site, but for a moment I feel like I’ve found a gem in the desert and I browse happily for a while…then I promptly add to a list o…

It's seemingly becoming harder to have an "experience" on the Web, and I find myself turning away from progressively more sources as a result. In the 2000s, running with an ad blocker was a near surefire way to speed up loading a page without any functional issues cropping up - the ad blocking tech even then was _good_. Then came paywalls - pay for this content, or you won't see it. I suppose, then, I won't see the c…

>setting a CSS "opacity: 0;" on the page, then removing it with JS, even when JS is not required to load the page

Reader mode (ctrl+alt+r) instantly gets rid of this kind of crap.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by Macuyiko »

leavenotracks wrote: post #82

So true, so sad. These days, when even a few hurdles of crap present themselves, I often just leave. I don’t care what the site has to say or sell me. Whenever I come across a site that just displays content immediately, it fills me with joy. Usually it’s some obscure personal or academic site, but for a moment I feel like I’ve found a gem in the desert and I browse happily for a while…then I promptly add to a list o…

Some more lightweight old-fashioned internet portals other than the ones mentioned before:

https://marijnflorence.neocities.org/linkroll/

https://neonaut.neocities.org/directory/

https://webring.xxiivv.com/

https://dreamwiki.sixey.es/welcome.dream/

https://sjmulder.nl/en/textonly.html

https://www.cameronsworld.net/

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by lyaa »

inetknght wrote: post #223
hardwaresofton wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But would anyone pay for it? Basically a relatively closed and essentially almost manually curated web ring seems like it'd offer a lot of value, but who pays? Maybe it could work if you charge users a super small base fee (let's say $1/month), and charge commercial sites that want to be listed in certain verticals?

> But would anyone pay for it? Content owners' greed is ruining the web. Build websites without any intention of monetary gain and you'll find a much better experience in the web.

It's unfair to demand all costs from content generation to hosting to be borne by the "owners." For the web to work better, we need more aligned incentives, not to disregard the understandable demand of creators of websites and services to get somehow compensated. I do find ads annoying but I find the expectation that everything be absolutely free on the internet quite ridiculous.

Also, even when websites are built without any intention of monetization, there are still goals which the creators want to achieve. Some sites are free because they want to change public opinion or facilitate cooperation between groups of people for a common purpose. Others are made to showcase skills or for academic purposes. Lots of people are making all kinds of websites. Some want to be paid and that's fine.

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