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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by pantalaimon »

cronix wrote: post #73
mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

My for you page is full of dancing fat girls because I like those videos ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

rchaud wrote: post #191
tablespoon wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As opposed to US based networks? There are important differences between being influenced by domestic actors, as part of a domestic political process, and being influenced by foreign actors. The latter is a far more serious threat to political independence. It's also pretty well documented that the PRC political authorities already use its domestic social networks in this way.

It's also documented that Cambridge Analytica used data made available to it by Facebook to target millions with political propaganda. It wasn't just the US election, they had plenty of practice validating the strategy in elections in smaller countries. Where's the evidence that TT has been successfully used for nefarious purposes on a similar scale?

The concern is exactly that such evidence might be much harder to find for TikTok. Cambridge Analytica's clients included multiple prominent American politicians, including the sitting president at the time the scandal broke. China would try their hardest to stop a scandal involving Xi Jinping from breaking in the first place, and certainly the People's Congress wouldn't demand a public investigation as the US Congress did.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by mrtksn »

reggieband wrote: post #66

I like to think of TikTok as the crack cocaine of addictive social media. I used to think my dopamine receptors were burned out by the constant barrage of memes I received from reddit, Facebook and Twitter but TikTok proves they can refine that product to make it even more potent. When I visit reddit now it feels behind in the same way Facebook used to feel behind. Facebook's video feature (which they shove into my f…

I first discovered the app when it was Musically but I was scared away by peer pressure, even then had a bad reputation. Then I noticed that the icon changed(or read an article about it becoming something else, not sure), gave it another shot secretly. I still don't have friends who use TikTok, at least that's what they say but they laugh to videos stolen from TikTok all day. They are late of course.

According to iPhone's screen time I use TikTok 29 minutes a day on average. For contrast, it says 2 hours 15 minutes for Twitter.[0]

I need to cut Twitter down, I mostly doomscroll on Twitter whenever I get bored. TikTok is great before sleep, I don't get the urge to check it all the time, I don't feel FOMO.

[0]: Here is my usage data: https://ibb.co/Ytb6Hbt

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by marketingtech »

mtrovo wrote: post #158

Are we seeing apex Facebook? I still have a lot of friends that use it daily but it's all for things that don't hold a company with a 1T market cap. Anecdotal data: - Facebook usage from my feed it's just older family members posting cheesy political posts and selling items on marketplace - Instagram became a selling channel for brands, be it with their accounts or with "partnerships" with meme/influencer pages. I se…

Per the latest earnings release on https://investor.fb.com on July 28:

* Facebook daily active users (DAUs) – DAUs were 1.91 billion on average for June 2021, an increase of 7% year-over-year.

* Facebook monthly active users (MAUs) – MAUs were 2.90 billion as of June 30, 2021, an increase of 7% year-over-year.

* Family daily active people (DAP) – DAP was 2.76 billion on average for June 2021, an increase of 12% year-over-year.

* Family monthly active people (MAP) – MAP was 3.51 billion as of June 30, 2021, an increase of 12% year-over-year.

It's hard to show large growth rates when you already count most of the +16, non-Chinese internet population as your users, but it doesn't look like an apex.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by dizzystar »

I find Facebook fascinating. I started using it later than most, maybe 2 years ago. What stopped me from using it was, everyone I knew that was on it never said anything positive about it. They got upset over deleting "their friends" who they never met. They talked about how annoying the cat videos were. In sum, I sensed they received nothing positive from it. I could never understand how people could get so attached to something they downright hate.

Instagram became a uh... a bunch of advertisers advertising to each other. I think 9 out of 10 photos are promotional material. Nothing personal, nothing funny, nothing enlightening. Most all of my friends stopped using it about 1 year ago. I won't get into reasons why, but I think you can add 2 and 2 together.

TikTok just feels more genuine. If someone is dancing, what are they trying to sell? Nothing at all. It's amazing how much talent is on that app. It's only a matter of time before the marketers figure it out and destroy that app too.

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Post by Ericson2314 »

underwater wrote: post #184

I'm baffled by the glowing endorsements of TikTok on Hacker News of all places. TikTok content comes across as completely vapid. It's like the worst possible mashup of bad television and social media. As a company TikTok seems to have zero goals beyond increasing engagement.

Sure it's vapid and I'm glad I've aged out of feeling I need to participate in any of these things.

But it's great to see competition with SV, competition FAANG, competition with the US even. It's not a solution, but it's a breath of fleetingly fresh error for everyone sick of endless monopoly, acquisitions, and "tech nationalism for me, free trade and dependency for thee".

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Post by yepthatsreality »

spideymans wrote: post #258
yepthatsreality wrote: post #242

A lot of talk about how amazing the app is amazing at drawing people in but the conjecture comes off more that these are users looking to being drawn in. Whatever trick the app pulls, these users want that attraction. Kind of comes off as willful gullibility to me.

Well... yea. People go on TikTok seeking to be entertained. Is this different than any other entertainment platform?

Not exactly. I seek out entertainment all the time and yet I’m not surprised that I couldn’t look away.

With this app, responses mostly revolve around the novelty of being tricked into binge watching. Not necessarily the enjoyment of said entertainment.

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Post by telxoss »

wongarsu wrote: post #94
tablespoon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and protectionist. I don't think the only question is "who wins at having the most popular social network." The more concerning one is of exerting political influence through manipulative amplification/suppression (which is something the PRC has a lot of experience with). That could be both highly effective and extre…

That is a real threat, but that's a problem with (proprietary, centralized) online media in general. Which social network would you trust not to do that? Facebooks experiment on manipulating emotions comes to mind [1]. The only way to minimize these effects is to consume a multitude of media from multiple sources, so no one entity has too much influence. Balancing all the US-based social networks with some TikTok cer…

Or you could just not waste your time with social media or the news in general.

If you didn't check social media or have any input from a new sources in the past 2 weeks what would you have missed?

The NASDAQ went down then back up?

Real news could be done with a single web page that updates weekly. Even if monthly you wouldn't really miss out on much of anything important.

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Post by [deleted] »

stale2002 wrote: post #204
corobo wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True or not it's still dishonest to exclude information that moots the point

It doesn't really moot the point. If they did stuff as egregious as that, we can make inferences about the company, their goals, and other stuff that they could be doing.

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by corobo »

stale2002 wrote: post #204
corobo wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True or not it's still dishonest to exclude information that moots the point

It doesn't really moot the point. If they did stuff as egregious as that, we can make inferences about the company, their goals, and other stuff that they could be doing.

We can make those inferences with the additional information too, more informed inferences even
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