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Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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> But AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem. The solution is increased enforcement of the laws that make these illegal. The incentives aren't difficult: Create an anonymous tip line to report illegal AirBnB operations that violate zoning regulations. Have submitters provide the street address and URL of the AirBnB to make it easy. The person operating the AirBnB (or owner of the house…

> The person submitting the tip about an illegal AirBnB receives 25% of the fine. I feel like the whole "rat on your neighbors for money" thing has a lot of negative unintended consequences.

Negative unintended consequences to the illegal AirBnB on my street was having my car shot up. Some of the bullets also hit the neighbors car parked in front of my bedroom window.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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This paper has some big flaws. See https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/olwous for an in-depth critique.

/r/badeconomics is a shockingly sane place considering the sad state of most of Reddit (and HN for that matter). It always disappoints me to see how many people have extremely strong opinions on topics they know nothing about.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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The article doesn't mention it - and I can't find it anywhere - but in any neighborhood what is the highest proportion of units that are short-term rentals. Five percent? Ten percent in the super touristy areas? I have no idea and even before the other flaws in the study I am skeptical than anything short of 20% would make an impact on any major attribute of an area. I see one stat in the paper that "40% of buildings…

Preface: this is just my opinion at this moment. I feel like trying to attribute specific numbers to the article's phenomenon is sort of a waste. It really only takes one individual who is significantly disruptive to change the perception of trust and safety in any given region. The only limit (where percentages and such start creeping in) is in the physical reach that individual has. Anybody who has lived in the sam…

People want to be data driven until the data goes against their feelings. You see the same in SF, the narrative was that crime has spiked during COVID and after seeing stats that it didn't, the new narrative is that the perception of crime is still important, the data didn't matter

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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As this topic becomes more and more mainstream, I look forward to the numerous Twitter posts sure to come from Airbnb employees about the taxing social implications that come with working at Airbnb, how it weighs on their conscious, and and their ultimate decision to follow what’s right and leave. But only after their RSU’s have vested, of course. More seriously, I’ve been very disappointed with Airbnb recently. I sp…

I think the reason why AirBnb in its early days was so cheap is that there were more hosts who let for fun and to socialise. Now that the novelty has fizzled out, the market is left with hosts that let for profit, with prices now reflecting the true costs of operating a hostel.

Same thing can be said for ride sharing platforms.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> Reduces housing supply I am a bit confused about this one. AirBnB does not destroy buildings, and they don't keep places empty, empty buildings make no money. In fact, before it started to be used as pseudo-hotels, it was a way for people to monetize the time they don't spend at home by having a tenant. I mean, before AirBnB, where were travelers staying? Hotels are the obvious answer, but AFAIK hotels still have c…

I know people who have bought properties specifically to put them on Airbnb, 24/7/365. They believe that they can get more money out of the property that way than if they put it up for a more traditional long-term rental. If it weren't for Airbnb, they wouldn't have bothered, and those properties would likely have ended up being bought as a primary residence or leased as a long-term rental home.

I don't think most people object to the idea of people (short-term) renting out a room in the place where they live, or even renting out their in-law unit, or (perhaps slightly more controversially) renting out a vacation home while they aren't there. But turning a residential property into a year-round short-stay hotel does indeed reduce the housing supply.

Not sure how to answer your question about hotels. I don't know if business is worse for them, or if there are indeed more travelers than before.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The person submitting the tip about an illegal AirBnB receives 25% of the fine. I feel like the whole "rat on your neighbors for money" thing has a lot of negative unintended consequences.

Yeah I imagine it could be the new swatting. Don't like your neighbors (as in, your actual neighbors, who aren't running an illegal hotel)? Anonymously report that there's an AirBnB in their property, and watch as the cops show up and tell your neighbors to pack their bags and find a real hotel.

How would your thing even work? You'd have to provide an AirBNB link plus legal tenants have papers.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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post #144

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> Reduces housing supply I am a bit confused about this one. AirBnB does not destroy buildings, and they don't keep places empty, empty buildings make no money. In fact, before it started to be used as pseudo-hotels, it was a way for people to monetize the time they don't spend at home by having a tenant. I mean, before AirBnB, where were travelers staying? Hotels are the obvious answer, but AFAIK hotels still have c…

Here in San Diego (a big tourist town), in recent years our hotel vacancy is rising, and rents are rising as well, as tourists flood into livable dwellings (Airbnbs). Further, hotel taxes used to fund a great deal of the city, but Airbnbs are not subject to the tax, so the city's finances are struggling as well. Personally I'm fine with Airbnbs, and I often stay in them myself when I travel, but if you own more than…

> Further, hotel taxes used to fund a great deal of the city, but Airbnbs are not subject to the tax, so the city's finances are struggling as well.

That's really San Diego's fault, though. Many cities and states have classified Airbnbs as hotels for taxation purposes, or created new (taxed) categories specifically for them. For example, Hawaii charges a "transient accommodations tax" of 10.5%, as well as a general excise tax of 4%, and counties can add more to that if they want.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem. The solution is increased enforcement of the laws that make these illegal. The incentives aren't difficult: Create an anonymous tip line to report illegal AirBnB operations that violate zoning regulations. Have submitters provide the street address and URL of the AirBnB to make it easy. The person operating the AirBnB (or owner of the house…

I think criminalising what you do to with your own property is slippery slope to no property ownership.

There are very few slippery slopes and too much fear about them.

Property ownership, especially real estate, is limited in many ways. Try depositing asbestos in your condo and see how far you get.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I imagine it could be the new swatting. Don't like your neighbors (as in, your actual neighbors, who aren't running an illegal hotel)? Anonymously report that there's an AirBnB in their property, and watch as the cops show up and tell your neighbors to pack their bags and find a real hotel.

How would your thing even work? You'd have to provide an AirBNB link plus legal tenants have papers.

You set up a fake listing with real outdoor photos and stock indoor photos.

Many legal tenants don't have their paperwork on-hand, stuff like deeds is stored in safe-deposit boxes where it's not readily accessible to show police who spontaneously arrive to kick you out.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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As this topic becomes more and more mainstream, I look forward to the numerous Twitter posts sure to come from Airbnb employees about the taxing social implications that come with working at Airbnb, how it weighs on their conscious, and and their ultimate decision to follow what’s right and leave. But only after their RSU’s have vested, of course. More seriously, I’ve been very disappointed with Airbnb recently. I sp…

> Another issue: each listing will almost always include an exorbitant cleaning fee, to the tune of 20-X% of the actual listing (I saw multiple rooms advertised around $150-200 with cleaning fees of $100).

That seems about right to me. The last time I had a professional cleaner clean my (at the time, 950 sq ft) home, around 5 years ago, it cost $100, plus tip. I'm sure costs have gone up since then, and IMO most Airbnb cleanings I've seen are more thorough than I remember that house cleaning being. I also expect cleaning costs have gone up due to COVID requirements.

As an aside, I think the percent-of-listing measure you're using doesn't make sense. It costs the same amount to clean a place if you stay there for one day or five. If the cleaning cost is going up as you add more days to a reservation, then that's weird and it sounds like the person managing the listing is doing something sketchy.

> In my opinion, Airbnb came to disrupt the hotel market, but hotels have caught up

I do think Airbnbs are still better than hotels in some situations. Hotels are just not all that fun if you have a bunch of friends who want to go on vacation together and hang out all the time, but common vacation spots will usually have plenty of rentals that sleep 8 or 10 or 12 or whatever (and will likely cost less than 4 or 5 or 6 hotel rooms).

Hell, even for a family of four, an Airbnb can be a much better experience. Sure, you can get a multi-bedroom suite at a hotel, but they're usually going to cost you more than an equivalent 2-bedroom Airbnb rental. Growing up, I remember my parents cramming all four of us into a small hotel room with two double beds, and it was not a pleasant experience at all.

When I'm traveling and am spending a week or more somewhere, I often enjoy cooking sometimes. Hotels usually don't offer rooms with kitchens, and those that do usually have crappy "efficiency" kitchens. Nearly all Airbnbs have a kitchen, and that usually doesn't add to the price like having a kitchen in a hotel room does. And even if I do go out for dinner, it's nice to always have a fridge to store leftovers, and a microwave or even stove/oven to use to reheat them. A hotel's minibar fridge is often not up to that task, and good luck reheating things.

> More seriously, I’ve been very disappointed with Airbnb recently. I spent the last two weeks in Manhattan. [...]

Definitely agree with you on Manhattan. For whatever reason, hotels tend to just be a better, cleaner, often cheaper choice there (I have a trip planned there that's coming up soon, and I've already booked a hotel). But I've done Airbnb in a couple dozen cities, both in and out of the US, and by and large the experience has been better than a hotel at the same price.

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